CHRISTIAN...You Can Be SAVED and Sure of It!

[Chelsea7]

I look at discussions/debates of this topic as watching a pendulum. One one side, you have OSAS and on the other Holiness. The pendulum always falls in the middle. Find the truth, not the doctrine of mans beliefs.

A person who is honest and of good will finds truth in the doctrine of Jesus Christ who taught that a Christian is not immune to falling from a state of grace into sin which leads to eternal damnation.

Then remain in Him and know you are saved.

To remain in Him is to firmly adhere to His teachings. That is to say, the teachings of His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church outside of which no one is saved.

That is the mans doctrine I spoke of. To remain in Him, all you need is His Spirit and a willingness to follow His guidance.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Rachel,

I see your an adherent of sedevacantism.

How then are you Saved if you reside in a Church without a head? Aren't the teachins of the Church now incomplete?

Do you not have an intermediary between God and man? It appears from your belief that the Church has no vicegerent.

You espouse that we are Saved through our relationship with the Church but the Church now has no head. I guess I'm looking for understanding. The two concepts appear to be mutually exclusive. The Church now has no power on the earth and if it has none then how can it Save?

peace,

Dave

[other one]

This thread started in 2002.

yeah, but when will it end

[rachel89]

2 Peter 2:20-22

[rachel89]

OneLight,

That Man’s doctrine is the Man Jesus Christ who is also God. It’s false to say all you need is His spirit and a willingness to follow Him. Intention or willingness is not enough – you must DO all His commanded. OneLight, the issue on the Bible's teaching on how a person is saved is the most important issue for all of us. If works and things you do, and sins you must avoid are part of whether or not you are saved, it only follows that God would have founded a Church to authoritatively set forth and maintain His truth to instruct people more specifically on Christ's teaching about what they must do for salvation, yes?

Mahittjtah,

While it is true that we have no true pope at the minute, the teachings of the Church handed to us by our Lord are not incomplete. Thank you for your questions. I would like to answer your questions so we can discuss this extremely important matter, but to do so would take us off-topic from the main point of this thread. Maybe we can start a new thread totally devoted to Sedevacantism?

Edited August 30, 2010 by rachel89

[OneLight]

OneLight and other on mentioned how some might try to argue that those people never really believed it.

I would like you to show where I tried to argue that they never believed. Quote me to prove your point, otherwise, I suggest that you not read into what people here say, but take them at their exact words.

Let me make is easy for you. I will list my posts below and you can tell me where I said what you claim I said.

#13 ... "I look at discussions/debates of this topic as watching a pendulum. One one side, you have OSAS and on the other Holiness. The pendulum always falls in the middle. Find the truth, not the doctrine of mans beliefs. "

#16 ... "Then remain in Him and know you are saved. "

#18 ... "That is the mans doctrine I spoke of. To remain in Him, all you need is His Spirit and a willingness to follow His guidance. "

Which one of these statements said that a person never really believed?

[rachel89]

When you mentioned OSAS it seemed to indicate that you were replying to other one's reference above yours which was also about OSAS. I'm sorry. My point was that people do ask that question and it's important they realize the truth. Will you please answer my question to you concerning our Lord's Church?

[OneLight]

OneLight,

That Man

[OneLight]

When you mentioned OSAS it seemed to indicate that you were replying to other one's reference above yours which was also about OSAS. I'm sorry. My point was that people do ask that question and it's important they realize the truth. Will you please answer my question to you concerning our Lord's Church?

Be patient.

[rachel89]

OneLight,

Do you believe that if a person believes in Jesus then he is saved by that faith alone? 1 Corinthians 13:12 says that a person could have all the faith and it could profit him nothing: “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith so that I could move mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

People are deceiving themselves when they believe that faith alone grants salvation e.g. one who has all faith will be saved. But the Bible teaches otherwise; one could have all faith and it could still profit him nothing!

The Church is not God; however the dogmas and other doctrines of God’s Church are rooted in the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself. Does not the Bible say that Christ found one Church (Matt. 18:20), we must hear it to be saved (John 3:5), we need to be baptized (John 3:5) We must receive his body and blood in the Eucharist (John 6), confession (John 20:23)? These are just few of things that many people who say they are Christians deny and reject! But to deny these things are to deny our Lord who teaches us that we must not deny these things, but believe them and DO them in order to be saved.

To answer your questions: yes, I believe in the Trinity because that is what is taught by Christ's Holy Catholic Church.

Edited August 30, 2010 by rachel89