Luke 17:35,7

[billie]

Can someone help me with this, please?

Luke 17:35,7 "Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken, the other left. 'Where, Lord?' they asked. He replied, 'Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.'"

First question: Is this about the Rapture or the Second Coming?

Next question: Is Jesus saying our bodies will be left behind? I thought our bodies would be raised and changed(glorified)?

[Yahsway]

If we look at verse 30 in that chapter it says-

"Even so will it be in the DAY when the Son of Man is REVEALED."

This is not the rapture as some might speculate as Jesus is Revealing Himself to all men on the earth and the wheat and the tares are seperated at that time.

There will be some going into the Kingdom who will not taste death but see the Son of Man coming in the clouds back to earth to set up His kingdom that He will rule for a thousand years.

[billie]

Okay, but where do the dead bodies and the vultures come into play? What was He talking about there?

[jgredline]

Luke 17:34-37 NKJV

34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.

35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."

37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?"

So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

The Lord

[Yahsway]

billielovesdarrin, To answer your question about the vultures and the dead bodies and where they come into play, read Revelation 19:17. It is the supper of God.

The verse about the 2 men in bed is referring to the threshing floor bed, not a literal bed you sleep in. Two women grinding at the mill, two men in bed (threshing floor) ect... These verses are referring to the Harvest. The seperation of the wheat from the chaff/Tares. This is done at His coming. when He(Yeshua) Reveals Himself. This key words are "in that Day when the Son of Man is revealed."

[Floatingaxe]

billielovesdarrin, To answer your question about the vultures and the dead bodies and where they come into play, read Revelation 19:17. It is the supper of God.

The verse about the 2 men in bed is referring to the threshing floor bed, not a literal bed you sleep in. Two women grinding at the mill, two men in bed (threshing floor) ect... These verses are referring to the Harvest. The seperation of the wheat from the chaff/Tares. This is done at His coming. when He(Yeshua) Reveals Himself. This key words are "in that Day when the Son of Man is revealed."

Yep! Just read that yesterday!

[jaisum]

Luke 17 vs 37 from the NKJV

And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

Considering that the context of this verse is explaining those that are taken away, and those that are left behind, this verse indicates Pre-Trib Rapture. It speaks of a body being gathered with eagles. I believe Jesus is making a reference to the Body which is the church, and the induviduals who are worthy enough to be taken in the 1st Rapture -Pre-Trib Rapture- The reference to Eagles is mostly likely Angels who may be responsible for opening some kind of portal into God's Dimension = Heaven. Remember, the Jews of that day did not picture angels as cute little children or beautiful women as artists have done. Angels were powerful beings that, although resembled human likeness, often had wings (read more here http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/angel.shtml ).

Contrast the verse in Luke with the Verse in Matt

Mat 24:26 "Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.

Mat 24:27 "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Mat 24:28 "For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

In Matt, this verse is for the 2nd coming (Rev ch 19) and not for the Rapture. However, "Eagle" is not the correct term. There has been a mistranslation which has been corrected in the NIV Bible version. The word "Eagle" is correctly replaced with "Vulture". So the verse in Matt is actually for Jesus 2nd coming, either just before it or just after it, as the vultures are those that will feast on the bodies of the dead (which is why the word carcass is used, and not "body" which is a reference to living body, in Luke) after Jesus returns to do battle at Meddigo=Armageddon. You can find this in Rev 19, and Matt 24.28 fits in with Rev 19.17-18.

So Lukes verse is regarding the Pre-Trib Rapture, and Matts verse is regarding the 2nd coming and the 7 year Tribulation splits them apart.

Remeber, Jesus 2nd coming is going to be a time of battle and woe on earth (unless you are Jewish and are part of the faithful remnant if Israel)... Read the battle sequence in Rev 19, Zech 14... Jesus even questions if He will find Faith on earth when He returns Luke 18.8... Even in Amos God sends woe to those who desire the day of the LORD ( Amos 5.18-20 ).

However, no-one has to be here as long as we follow what Jesus said and He will take us away in the 1st Rapture (Rev 3.10). Those left behind will face the wrath of satan and his sone antichrist and will have a chance to make it to Heaven, more than likely, as a CHristian martyr.

God Bless

Jai

[eric]

[Joshua-777]

I believe that it is the rapture, all though the word rapture isnt in the bible, it means to be "taken up" and by that verse, it sounds like the rapture, no one knows the day or the hour, but it does clearly state what the raptures going to be like.

[Pilgrim7]

Amen Josh,

The rapture and the 2nd coming are one and the same event. This is what Jesus is saying.

As for a phased 2nd coming:

The main point of Luke 17 is to teach us about the 2nd Coming and what happens. When you compare the accounts you see that there is one main point in common, that is what Jesus is trying to tell us, that it is one event, that takes place at a specific point in time, and that those not 'raptured' are destroyed at that very time.

He had warned us about false prophets and teachers who would try to pervert the truth and sweep the world into the kingdom of Anti-christ, a false Christ, and so He gave us plenty of truth in order to know who these false teachers are. If one teaches something contrary to the words of Jesus, he is teaching untruth, or is a false teacher.

Now we will look at what takes place at this 2nd Coming in Jesus own words as compared to the days of Noah:

LUKE 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man (2nd coming).

17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until THE DAY (the same day) that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. (all means all who are not raptured, there are none left alive)So just as Noah was saved and raised above the destruction of all by the flood, so the faithful living and resurrected are raised above the destruction when Jesus comes the 2nd time to 'rapture' His people. They rest are destroyed by fire. The flood raised Noah and at the same time destroyed the rest.

Now we will look at the days of Lot for they are also reperesentative of the 2nd coming. Notice that the destruction happens the same day that Lot leaves Sodom:

Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

17:29 But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom (the Lord and 2 angels removed Lot and His family before destroying Sodom) it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Now this Scripture is not to teach us about how Gods people are raptured for the method is different in each. The point in common, thus the focus of His teaching is twofold, the Lost are destroyed at his coming, and that it happens at the 'rapture', the 'catching away' of His bride. It is all one phase, at the same time, on the same day. There is no need to be fooled.

Can no one provide any Scripture, any teachings of Jesus that support the current teaching of today, or is it true that the falling away from Scripture has happened and that men prefer the teachings of men over the teachings of God.

Anyone can be wrong, out of harmony with the Scriptures, but to ignore the plain teaching of the Word when presented just because it doesn't agree with the teachings of man, Pastors, Theologians and Commentators, is to choose man over God and thus give 'glory to man'.

God bless,

Dennis