The True Crucifixion

[MorningGlory]

I truly believe that in the Roman Times, in that culture and age, people were so much more tough and stronger than we are in this day and age. We, as Americans, are so lazy. Sure, we have intelligence, but each decade it just makes us lazier and weaker. Look at the ancient times war movies like Gladiator, Troy, Lord of the Rings, etc., people do everything with their hands, carrying, walking, in heat, in cold, through storms, up mountains, through canyons, rivers, and everything that we would call "roughing it." Our version of "roughing it" would be a vacation for them. That is why we can't even fathom the pain, agony, and sacrifice of Christ. We have been trained to be lazy and weak by this society and what is viewed as coshure or marketable by Hollywood. Think about it, even in the roughest of societies, they couldn't even fathom the pain, sacrifice, agony, and ridicule that Christ went through. What of us?

We really can't imagine how Christ suffered, that's true. I'm just glad He thought us important enough to die for.

What's with the multiple posts today? From several people, I mean.

[Joshua-777]

Religion, and mankind may be terribly flawed

[Everlasting127]

I often wonder if people understand who Jesus was.

The Spirit of Jesus is any person in the world today.

Any Executive or Person who believes they are on top

of the world. In a twinkling of an eye; anyone could

become without.

Criminals were hung on the cross next to Jesus.

Thereby blessing and forgiving their sins with his death,.

and resurrection.

Did that make Jesus any less than what he was?

By Blessing their sins, I mean:

Bless:

to consecrate or sanctify by a religious rite; make or pronounce holy.

Since they died on the cross as well. A death without the word of

God; casting yet another mockery toward Jesus.

How then would they be saved without a pronouncement?

The Spirit of Jesus is any person who one might have been

slighted by another for no reason in their life. If you have ever done

this to another person, then there would be no reason not to believe,

that Jesus existed; for he too suffered persecution.

If you find that you can believe there was a Jesus, then we go further

to admit there is a God, and that he is in control of everything.

Through a slight of hand, you may have ministered

a soul to God, thereby making that soul innocent, and putting

your own motives into question.

Looking at the concept of : Conspiracy and Jesus

People conspired to put Jesus to death.

The people who wanted his death, did not believe he was the son of God.

The slight of hand: is Jesus being crucified.

His soul was again made innocent of this world.

When he arose; the motives by which his death was required; were brought into question.

Many people began to believe after his resurrection.

His death glorified God's word; more than any of his

betrayers wanted to admonish.

God's word is the word of peace.

Isa 27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud,

and fill the face of the world with fruit.

Everlasting127

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May God Continue to Bless your Lives

Edited March 28, 2007 by Everlasting127

[enoob57]

On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2007‎ ‎10‎:‎48‎:‎50‎, MorningGlory said:

 

 

We really can't imagine how Christ suffered, that's true. I'm just glad He thought us important enough to die for.

 

 

What's with the multiple posts today? From several people, I mean.

Hey MG did ya have any grey hairs then ?        

 I'll take that as a yes...

 

[thereselittleflower]

On 3/22/2007, 8:48:50, MorningGlory said:

 

 

We really can't imagine how Christ suffered, that's true. I'm just glad He thought us important enough to die for.

 

 

What's with the multiple posts today? From several people, I mean.

It's an error in the forum.   

[thereselittleflower]

On 3/27/2007, 1:58:11, Everlasting127 said:

I often wonder if people understand who Jesus was.

The Spirit of Jesus is any person in the world today.

Any Executive or Person who believes they are on top

of the world. In a twinkling of an eye; anyone could

become without.

 

Criminals were hung on the cross next to Jesus.

Thereby blessing and forgiving their sins with his death,.

and resurrection.

 

Did that make Jesus any less than what he was?

 

By Blessing their sins, I mean:

 

Bless:

to consecrate or sanctify by a religious rite; make or pronounce holy.

 

Since they died on the cross as well. A death without the word of

God; casting yet another mockery toward Jesus.

 

How then would they be saved without a pronouncement?

 

The Spirit of Jesus is any person who one might have been

slighted by another for no reason in their life. If you have ever done

this to another person, then there would be no reason not to believe,

that Jesus existed; for he too suffered persecution.

 

If you find that you can believe there was a Jesus, then we go further

to admit there is a God, and that he is in control of everything.

 

Through a slight of hand, you may have ministered

a soul to God, thereby making that soul innocent, and putting

your own motives into question.

 

Looking at the concept of : Conspiracy and Jesus

 

People conspired to put Jesus to death.

The people who wanted his death, did not believe he was the son of God.

 

The slight of hand: is Jesus being crucified.

His soul was again made innocent of this world.

When he arose; the motives by which his death was required; were brought into question.

 

Many people began to believe after his resurrection.

His death glorified God's word; more than any of his

betrayers wanted to admonish.

 

God's word is the word of peace.

 

 

Isa 27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud,

and fill the face of the world with fruit.

 

 

Everlasting127

Bible Inspired Author

New Inspirational/Spiritual Science Fiction Novel

Moon Over Key Biscayne

booksandmore.4t.com

 

May God Continue to Bless your Lives

 

 

I had a hard time following what you were trying to say.

It seems you think Jesus was at one time not innocent?

Jesus was always innocent.

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

This is a thread from 2007, folks.   Look at the dates of the posts you are responding to.

[JohnD]

On 11/25/2015 at 6:43 AM, shiloh357 said:

This is a thread from 2007, folks.   Look at the dates of the posts you are responding to.

Your point?

[JohnD]

Even before we consider the true kinds of suffering Christ did on the cross, perhaps we should consider how much he endured leading up to the cross.

1 John 1:1–3 (AV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

John 1:1–2 (AV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 (AV)

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 17:5 (AV)

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Philippians 2:5–11 (AV)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Verse 8 says he "humbled" himself the Greek says he "emptied" himself... verse 6 "morphe theos huparchon" reveals he retained his deity when he took upon himself the additional nature of humanity.

What did he empty himself of which John 17:5 calls the glory that he had with the Father before the world was?

 

[JohnD]

On 10/23/2006 at 2:23 PM, Christian said:

The crucifixion of Christ has gotten so sanitized and glossed over that I thought it might be enlightening to those who doubt Christ's suffering to read this. The following is only the preliminary action wielded upon those condemned to crucifixion.

 

Alexander Metherell, who holds a medical degree from the University of Miami and a doctorate in engineering from the University of Bristol in England, made a detailed examination of Christ

Though the topic is as relevant as ever, the OP has not been here since 2011. He has not posted in his blog (listed in his profile here) since 2013. But it does reveal that he is a Mormon. So beware the theology of this one. It still does not take away from the relevance of the suffering of the genuine Christ (which Mormons do not believe in btw).