Fulfilled Prophecies from Isaiah

[Joshua-777]

I COULD HAVE KEPT GOING AND DISPUTE THE REST OF YOUR POST BUT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ ISAIAH AND ASK YOURSELF WHERE DOES IT SAY "THUS SAYETH THE LORD ......? THAT IS THE HALMARK OF A PROPHECY AND THERE IS NONE THERE. THERE ARE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES OF WHICH JESUS DID NOT FULLFILL ANY.YOU CAN DELETE MY RESPONSE BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO ADMIT YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN FINDING THE TRUTH. IF YOU ARE A REAL STUDENT OF THE BIBLE YOU CANNOT DENY WHAT I JUST SAID.

Oviously your not a real student of the bible, cause ya honestly every real student of the bible will deny your claim. Isaiah was actualy a prophet, and isaiah 53, ya that is about Jesus oviously you don;'t understand. It's your claim against "every real student of the bible" your comment is just ignorance cause ya can't see, it is truth.

[billie]

Paulo, do you believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God?

Or that just some of it is?

If that's the case, how do you decide which parts to keep, and which to throw out?

The Bible is God's Word to us, all He wanted to say to mankind. There is nothing higher that will contradict it. If that's what you're looking for, all you'll find are lies. There are people, after 30 and 40 years of walking with the Lord, are discovering more truths from the Bible every day that they didn't know before. Now, I ask you, do you know all there is to know about the Bible?

If not, then why are you already grasping for something else? The idea that there's more than what God's apportioned to us is a lie that was told to Eve in the Garden.

God needs to adapt to society? Is that really what you're saying? God is eternal. He was always and will always be. Our lives are but a breath in eternity. Yet you think He should adapt to us??

The Bible wasn't written according to 1st century thinking. It was written according to God's thinking. God will last forever. This world will be long gone. We can't make God's Word into what we want it to be. It is what it is. He is what He is, whether we like it or not.

Paul wasn't the only person in the Bible who spoke out against homosexuality. God Himself did, more than once. In fact, that's the reason He destroyed Sodom and Gommorrah.

It sounds to me, Paulo, that you aren't looking for something more than God, but something other than God, something which better fits into the way you'd like things to be, instead of the way things are.

[cjrose]

OKAY!! Now, this topic has already been threatened to be deleted. I will NOT allow arguements here because this is too important a topic to just disappear and not because I started it! So the MacStoogies and Macqueenies are stepping in to boink and spread love.

Paulo, billie is sincere in attempting to help you understand the Truth of the Word of God. As my other sweet sis stated there are parts of the Bible she doesn't like but she is a believer through and through and both these wonderful sisters are of great compassion and understanding. We don't have to Like everything in the Bible for example... idolatry with those who were traveling out of bondage and while waiting for Moses to deliver God's commandments, Moses found they were intoxicated, fornicating and idoling a golden calf. I don't like that but I accept it.

If you believe the Bible is inspired by God then how can you accept the non believers notion that the interpretation has faultered over the generations. I don't know about you but the Bible is a great source of tools, counsel, inspiration, daily bread, so forth but the message has never changed. That of Jesus who is our Savior!!

You either believe the Word or you Don't. If you believe it and find parts that you don't understand do you not trust the Lord enough that there are mysteries in His Word that we are not meant to understand but to just accept by our Faith.

Complete Trust is something some find very difficult to grasp. Complete Trust is the Faith you were given as a gift that you would set an example of God's Love and not faulter to question His Word. Faith tells us that this is the Truth, Faith tells us that though we don't understand yet, we WiLL understand soon.

If you are lukewarm and teeter totter over His Word, He will spit you out of His mouth. In my version of the Word instead of spit, it uses vomit which I find more of an impact that spit and though they may have a similar meaning, it's just as alot of Bibles that have been translated down through the generations.

KJV I've heard is the closest translation.

NIV was produced for babes in Christ or others simply as a more understandable version in plain English.

Be selective in what Bible you use. Do the reasearch. There are many out there just as foretold many false teachings and if you are a child of God then TRUST the Holy Spirit to guide you.

Questioning God's word is not of God. Beware of the serpent as he knows God will be victorious in the end but this is satans stomping grounds and will try to drag down with him all he can before our Father comes and says "It is Finished"

So, billie is a giver and a compassionate sister with a loving heart who is simply trying to get at the truth of where you are coming from.

I don't know why you believe what the non believers believe about the Word losing it's meaning through translations over generations, this also is a question, are you a born again? Is God the priority before all in your life? We aren't attacking, but our Spirits, the Holy Spirit tends to gives us reason to question. We do mean to speak out of love.

[TheProcess]

A true Christian must believe that Jesus was born of virgin by the power of God in order to believe that Jesus was both 100% man and 100% God. There are simply somethings about the Christian faith that cannot be compromised upon. If you reject this basic premise of Scripture, you are not a Christian. No one who rejects Jesus' Divinity is a Chrisitan. True Christianity is based upon this truth. The very plan of redemption is meaningless and impossible without it.

You could, in theory, reject the virgin birth but still believe in the "Incarnation", i.e. that Jesus was God incarnate.

[Jesus Admirer]

Psalms 40:7 Then said I(Jesus), Lo, I(Jesus) come: in the volume of the book it is written of me

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jesus said in John 5:39 above that the Old Testament testified, prophesied, or spoke about him. We know he was referring to the Old Testament, because the New Testament wasn't written yet when he made that statement.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he(Jesus) expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Edited February 14, 2007 by Jesus Admirer

[TheProcess]

The Blood of Jesus was holy because God was his biological Father, if a man were his father, then he would inherit the sinful nature of his earthly father. I saw one Medical expert once post, who I can't even begin to quote her say something like there are certain genes that mothers don't pass to their children , and it 's these genes that control whether we have a sinful nature or not. Quite Honestly! I don't really know what I'm talking about, as I attempt to rephrase what a medical expert posted, so I trust that you will believe that she made much more sense of it than I can. (We're talking genetics here)

The point being: If she's correct! Then it would explain why Jesus didn't inherit a sinful nature from Mary. Yet! Fathers do pass that sinful gene to their children, which was another one of her points, therefore it was impossible for Jesus to have an earthy father without inheriting the sinful nature of man. Yet Jesus was without sin and Holy in every way, which indicates God was his biological Father.

[sweetycakes]

I'd like to make a point here. No one on this forum, and I mean no one, follows 100% of the rules set down in the Old Testament, nor even attempts to do so. In fact, to try and follow those rules would be to give yourself a one-way ticket to a federal prison.

Leviticus 20:10

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 21:16-23 states that no handicapped person, nor even someone with acne for crying out loud, can approach the altar of God.

Leviticus 24:16

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Now, I certainly hope nobody here obeys any of these rules, because I don't want to live anywhere near them. In fact, according to God's rules laid down in the Old Testament, I'm due a stoning right about now for blaspheming, as I'm sure I've done it sometime in my life.

Also, examine the placement of the rules against homosexuality. If you obey that rule, then logically, the other rules in that section must be obeyed as well.

Read Leviticus and tell me it makes ANY sense to obey, even the part about homosexuality. I'd know, I used to read it for fun during church services.

Glad you chose not to leave, AAA

[Jesus Admirer]

Psalms 40:7 Then said I(Jesus), Lo, I(Jesus) come: in the volume of the book it is written of me

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jesus said in John 5:39 above that the Old Testament testified, prophesied, or spoke about him. We know he was referring to the Old Testament, because the New Testament wasn't written yet when he made that statement.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he(Jesus) expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Edited February 14, 2007 by Jesus Admirer

[Guest shiloh357]

I'd like to make a point here. No one on this forum, and I mean no one, follows 100% of the rules set down in the Old Testament, nor even attempts to do so. In fact, to try and follow those rules would be to give yourself a one-way ticket to a federal prison.

Leviticus 20:10

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 21:16-23 states that no handicapped person, nor even someone with acne for crying out loud, can approach the altar of God.

Leviticus 24:16

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Now, I certainly hope nobody here obeys any of these rules, because I don't want to live anywhere near them. In fact, according to God's rules laid down in the Old Testament, I'm due a stoning right about now for blaspheming, as I'm sure I've done it sometime in my life.

Also, examine the placement of the rules against homosexuality. If you obey that rule, then logically, the other rules in that section must be obeyed as well.

Read Leviticus and tell me it makes ANY sense to obey, even the part about homosexuality. I'd know, I used to read it for fun during church services.

The Bible was not meant to be followed 100% by every person in every age. The verses you chose speak to what would be criminal and punishable under the Theocracy God originally designed Israel to be.

Not even the people who lived at the very same time the Bible was written kept EVERY commandment. How could they? Some of the commandments only applie to women, some only to priests, some commandments only apply to those who have children, some only apply to those who own livestock or farm the fields. Not every commandment is applicable to every person. You are only responsible for those commandments that speak to your individual situation.

Also not everything in the Bible is for the Church. Some of the commandments were only meant to belong to Israel, and some only to Israel when Israel was a Theocracy.

Really, using the argument that we don't follow all of the Bible as means of discrediting our position is useless, because it demonstrates that you are trying to handle a book you really don't understand.

[Candi770]

I'd like to make a point here. No one on this forum, and I mean no one, follows 100% of the rules set down in the Old Testament, nor even attempts to do so. In fact, to try and follow those rules would be to give yourself a one-way ticket to a federal prison.

Leviticus 20:10

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 21:16-23 states that no handicapped person, nor even someone with acne for crying out loud, can approach the altar of God.

Leviticus 24:16

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Now, I certainly hope nobody here obeys any of these rules, because I don't want to live anywhere near them. In fact, according to God's rules laid down in the Old Testament, I'm due a stoning right about now for blaspheming, as I'm sure I've done it sometime in my life.

Also, examine the placement of the rules against homosexuality. If you obey that rule, then logically, the other rules in that section must be obeyed as well.

Read Leviticus and tell me it makes ANY sense to obey, even the part about homosexuality. I'd know, I used to read it for fun during church services.

The Bible was meant to be followed 100% by every person in every age. The verses you chose speak to what would be criminal and punishable under the Theocracy God originally designed Israel to be.

Not even the people who lived at the very same time the Bible was written kept EVERY commandment. How could they? Some of the commandments only applie to women, some only to priests, some commandments only apply to those who have children, some only apply to those who own livestock or farm the fields. Not every commandment is applicable to every person. You are only responsible for those commandments that speak to your individual situation.

Also not everything in the Bible is for the Church. Some of the commandments were only meant to belong to Israel, and some only to Israel when Israel was a Theocracy.

Really, using the argument that we don't follow all of the Bible as means of discrediting our position is useless, because it demonstrates that you are trying to handle a book you really don't understand.

I love this Bro!!