Tolerating Gays

[hupo]

From Paranoid,A,

Just a quick question, eric, if you don't mind. If a heterosexual says they are Christian, but find themselves tempted into having sex before marriage on multiple occassions, does this make them not Christian????? Just curious.....

Jesus said,in John.8:31....If you abide in my word you are truly my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. frome the bondage of sin..... emphasis mine.

So if a person is involved in any sexual immorality, he/she not abiding in His word, therefore you are still a slave to sin and cannot claim salvation. If a hetrosexual is having sex before before marriag, then they better stop and repent, because they are throwing God's word back in His face.

They are not my words, they are the words of the Lord.

I don't get it Eric, don't you ever lie, throw a sarcastic word, turn a blind eye to someone in need, think"bad" thoughts?

If you don't, you are an angel but if you do, you are a slave to sin and would that then mean you cannot claim salvation?

If that is the case, and we are all sinners, it follows that NO ONE can claim salvation

Blessings

[ritchiedotson]

I would first like to say I am a christian who has acceppted that I am gay. I knew I was gay before I knew what gay was (if that makes sence). I am proud to say I am a virgin, I have never taken illegal drugs (Only meds given by doctor), and I have never touched alchaol. WOW that just flushes what Pat Robertson , James Dobson, and the christian right says about gays ,down the toilet. I am not the only open homosexual who lives like I do. I am not the only gay person with a sence of some morallity. One day I may be with a man. But, I am a strong believer that GLBT people should go by sex and marriage the way straights should go. Being married(or equivolent) , committedm, monogamous, loveing, honest, equel, and bringing no harm or sexual exploitation to either person in the relationship.

There is no GAY LIFESTYLE. I hate that term. Many view the gay lifestyle as SEX CRAZED, druggies, alchoholics, and mollest little children. There are straight people who are sex crazed, drug addics, alcholoics and molest children. These are horrible things. I am gay and these things are not a part of my life. When we hear of straight people doing these why dont we say people need to leave the straight lifestyle. OR OH MY Goodness!!! there is a man and woman holding hands. RUN!!!! HIDE# THE KIDS!!! what I am trying to say is," ONES SEXUAL ORIENTATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ONES BEHAVIOR." I am living proof of that.

We christians interperate the bible differently. I hope we can all agree with that. Even though we cannot all agree that being gay is not a sin. I hope we can all agree that we need to come together extending Gods love to every one.

God Bless ,NOT JUST AMERICA, but every one.

[ayin jade]

How do you deal with the passages that make it plain that homosexuality is a sin?

[ritchiedotson]

How do you deal with the passages that make it plain that homosexuality is a sin?

Thats an awsome question. My beliefs are extreamily close to this sermon . ( I think he is an anglican priest, but im not sure)

If any one wants a link PM me. I wasent aware of the posting youtube link rule.

I got a headache so sorry I cant type down exactly what I believe. Coz its long. It also goes into what I understand the greek words to mean. And looks at the passages that condemn TYPES of same sex incounters.

Edited July 30, 2007 by ritchiedotson

[ayin jade]

Youtube links are not permitted.

The bible is quite clear in the Romans passage that homosexuality is a sin. There is no way to explain that away.

[ritchiedotson]

Youtube links are not permitted.

The bible is quite clear in the Romans passage that homosexuality is a sin. There is no way to explain that away.

Sorry, I was not aware of that rule. The bible makes it clear that when our right arm or eye causes us to sin we should cut it off. I dont see this as literally cutting out our eyes or cutting off our hand.

There are many ways to look at scripture.

Romans 1:21-32...... First you cant just read 1:26-27it takes it out of context. 21-32 goes with it.

I believe , and I understand you probally will not agree, that These were people who knew God. But chose not to worship or give glory to him. They turned to Idol worship. I believe they turned to pagons. (Romans 1:21-23) .

They turned to sexual impuritys, isee this as same sex sexual impurities because the same sex activitys come in at versus 26-27. (ROMANS 1:24)

(Romans 1:25) is another turning from the true God to Idol worshiping verse.

(Romans 1:26-27) is the biggie. Read clostly.These were hetero sexuals leaving hetro sexuality. Also This was a orgie. Many pagons have same sex(and other types of) ritual orgieies. This is what I believe it is. Same sex ritual orgies made to there Idols. This is not describing GLBT people like me. Who are waiting untill commitment untill they make love.

(Romans 1:28-32) these people are giving into allot of evil things.

This is my interpertation of this scripture. If you want to share your interpertation I will gladly listen with a open heart and mind.

-God Bless

[eric]

From Paranoid,A,

Just a quick question, eric, if you don't mind. If a heterosexual says they are Christian, but find themselves tempted into having sex before marriage on multiple occassions, does this make them not Christian????? Just curious.....

Jesus said,in John.8:31....If you abide in my word you are truly my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. frome the bondage of sin..... emphasis mine.

So if a person is involved in any sexual immorality, he/she not abiding in His word, therefore you are still a slave to sin and cannot claim salvation. If a hetrosexual is having sex before before marriag, then they better stop and repent, because they are throwing God's word back in His face.

They are not my words, they are the words of the Lord.

I don't get it Eric, don't you ever lie, throw a sarcastic word, turn a blind eye to someone in need, think"bad" thoughts?

If you don't, you are an angel but if you do, you are a slave to sin and would that then mean you cannot claim salvation?

If that is the case, and we are all sinners, it follows that NO ONE can claim salvation

Blessings

Keep off the grass hup and try keeping the topic on course there's a big differencw between sratching your head and tearing your scalp off you, All christians make a bit of a boo boo, same as I do, when I have occasion to cuss out when my puter plays up, I dont make a hoo haa out of it and make it public. The little trasgressions I do slip with, would hardl qualify me for being a slave to sin, besides daily repntance is a daily excersise for me

Besides if you were to read my previous posts, you would see if I came across a homosexual who would be open to recieve the words of the bible, I would help him as much as I could. Iwas involved in prison ministry, twice a week for the best part of two years and never once had a problem.

If you are so concerned for the homosexal community, try taking your bible into a large city,g-y bar and do some witnessing,or hand out some tracts on some of their vulgar hero parades.Your last statement is doesnt dignify a reply Grow up.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Ritchie,

The Law was not made for Righteous men;

1Ti

[ritchiedotson]

Grace to you,

Ritchie,

The Law was not made for Righteous men;

1Ti

[hupo]

From Paranoid,A,

Just a quick question, eric, if you don't mind. If a heterosexual says they are Christian, but find themselves tempted into having sex before marriage on multiple occassions, does this make them not Christian????? Just curious.....

Jesus said,in John.8:31....If you abide in my word you are truly my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. frome the bondage of sin..... emphasis mine.

So if a person is involved in any sexual immorality, he/she not abiding in His word, therefore you are still a slave to sin and cannot claim salvation. If a hetrosexual is having sex before before marriag, then they better stop and repent, because they are throwing God's word back in His face.

They are not my words, they are the words of the Lord.

I don't get it Eric, don't you ever lie, throw a sarcastic word, turn a blind eye to someone in need, think"bad" thoughts?

If you don't, you are an angel but if you do, you are a slave to sin and would that then mean you cannot claim salvation?

If that is the case, and we are all sinners, it follows that NO ONE can claim salvation

Blessings

Keep off the grass hup and try keeping the topic on course there's a big differencw between sratching your head and tearing your scalp off you, All christians make a bit of a boo boo, same as I do, when I have occasion to cuss out when my puter plays up, I dont make a hoo haa out of it and make it public. The little trasgressions I do slip with, would hardl qualify me for being a slave to sin, besides daily repntance is a daily excersise for me

Besides if you were to read my previous posts, you would see if I came across a homosexual who would be open to recieve the words of the bible, I would help him as much as I could. Iwas involved in prison ministry, twice a week for the best part of two years and never once had a problem.

If you are so concerned for the homosexal community, try taking your bible into a large city,g-y bar and do some witnessing,or hand out some tracts on some of their vulgar hero parades.Your last statement is doesnt dignify a reply Grow up.

So what you are saying (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that a homosexual that repents is different than a homosexual who disregards God's word.

I don't see why you had to lay an egg over what I said. I'm sorry for whatever pushed your button. I would be thankful if you could clarify that for me so I won't repeat it.

Yes I am concerned at least for some homosexuals I know. I have two couples (gay and Lesbian) in my family and while disagreeing with their way of seeing things, i discuss it with them, using God's word wherever I can. God says a lot of things in the Bible but He never told me to judge them.

I don't even think we see things differently, but you didn't seem to like my question so again, I am sorry if I offended you.

As for "slave to sin", I was just quoting you

Thanks and blessings