Testing the Spirits When God Is Not In A Box

[OneLight]

damo1

Hey Brother!

Some people like to feel superior to others. To me, if a person says that one version is better then another, it's a power thing. I reminds me of the form of thinking that goes with cults. "My way is the only way." frame of thinking. All we can do for them is pray.

Brother In Christ,

OneLight

[damo1]

damo1

Hey Brother!

Some people like to feel superior to others. To me, if a person says that one version is better then another, it's a power thing. I reminds me of the form of thinking that goes with cults. "My way is the only way." frame of thinking. All we can do for them is pray.

Brother In Christ,

OneLight

damo1

high one light i agree with you 100% and this is what i have been doing for sevral latly praying that god wacks them with a 4 by 2 thick peace of wood maily red box or iron bark that realy hurts when you get hit by one of those its like a big wake up call

have a good week from damo

[poorinspirit]

After spending a lot of time trying to understand what you had written, finding answers to questions, some which you answered yourself, I have come to the realization that you are telling us all that you do not believe that God works the same today as he did in the days of the Apostles. I had pages of notes ready to share, but it all boils down to this.

I have personally experienced an out pouring of the Holy Spirit in prayer groups, church services and Christian gatherings. I did not see people flopping all over the floor, hysterical laughter, gold dust or any other outrageous things happening as described above. I did, however, know that God was there in a much greater presence then before. I could feel His presence as if it were a thick air surrounding me. People started to speak in tongues that had not done so before. People were greatly convicted of their sins. Healing took place. Forgiveness to others and self happened. God worked in a lot of lives those nights, more then I witness in regular Sunday church services. People were in one accord ... seeking God.

If you have never experienced an outpouring of His Spirit in this way, then I can only pray that you will. To try to explain something of this magnitude to someone who does not believe that it will ever happen is like trying to explain the presence of God within me to one who does not believe in God. All you hear are words that you will not believe.

I am not standing in defense of some cultish behaviors that are present in certain types of gatherings that are advertised under the name of Jesus, but real life changing events that do happen, even today. As for knowing the difference between the Holy Spirit and other spirits, if you have the Holy Spirit, and allow Him to live through you, you will know the difference.

You Brother In Christ,

OneLight

So then we go the questions.

Can one be closer to the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit is in the worship place? How is that closer when He is in you? How does one test the spirits if one believes the Holy Spirit is out there to be felt in the world?

What were you doing before this outpouring began? Were you praying for the Holy Spirit to come? Were you singing hymnals for the Spirit to come? When the outpouring happened, was there chaos in the worship place? Did this outpouring interrupted a sermon? Did this outpouring happened after the Gospel was just preached and new believers were being baptized by the Holy Spirit for the first time?

When this outpouring of the Holy Ghost happened in Acts, it is usually because new believers had come to the Lord Jesus right after hearing the Gospel.

As I understand your graciously understanding why I would be skeptical, I think you have yet to see the extent of my discernment. The outpouring of the Holy Ghost was never the focal point, but the Gospel was. It was by preaching the Gospel.. new believers were witnessing the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. Never.. never did they seek it by long prayers or looking to the Holy Spirit. If you read Acts 1 and Acts 2... you will not find that there either. They did business in Acts 1 in filling the spot left vacant by Judas Iscariot by casting lots. Then in Acts 2.. they were all with one accord in one place after choosing the replacement for Judas.

So the concept of when God is no longer in a box.. and I am referring to the Holy Spirit being in you, from which you now testify of feeling His Presence in the worship place... how does this not go against God's Word in that the ONLY way we will know Him... is by Him being in us.

John 14: 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. ......15If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So then it goes to Natt's responses about going on feelings. How can you say you are not going on feelings when you are determining the Presence you feel in the worship place to be the Holy Spirit when you can only know Him by Him being in you as scriptures declares?

Experience is one thing.. and you have yet to clear up how that came about prior to this "event", but in all respect, what you shared was focussed on the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and nothing to the cause of that event like... new believers after the Gospel was preached. You said nothing at all that would bring glory to Jesus but just to testify of that event.

Hopefully, you can see where I am coming from, and why I am even more skeptical. Understand that I am calling brothers and sisters to discern by His Word. Once you look for the Holy Spirit in the worship place as in being outside of you... there can be NO way to test the spirits if the Holy Spirit is in the worship place to be felt. That line of discernment is gone for how can he be greater within you than he that is in the world if he that is in you is also in the world?

[poorinspirit]

Hi Damo1

so you are not alone in this natt but what i do not like is when some one who is not committed to a church and is only wanting people to hear one point this is wear i challange as you can not tel people to read from only one bible which is the kings james version and that should be the only version to read and i did not want to see any one that posted in this topic to be taken advantage of as i have ran into plenty of people like this who see the holy spirit as a bad step child and wil only seek out the father and the son and ignore the holy spirit all together this is very dangerous and their are plenty disgruntled people out their that like to do nothing but throw out twisters and even confusion to see how far they can push new christians jesus even warns us about false teachers and says fals teachers from with in the body of christ wil try to split the breathren up and we also need to keep this also in the back of our minds as well

I totally agree with you about the King James Version. I like to use various versions when I do some bible study. I think they are entitled to their opinion though, even if they don't listen to anyone else's. I also agree with you that the Holy Spirit shouldn't be ignored. But I think Jesus should be glorified above all else. The Holy Spirit is a gift.

I'm still very much in the learning part. I have been deceived before.If I had then used the bible as a yardstick and not my own feelings I would not have got into a particular movement which I suppose why I feel testing if something is from God by the bible is important.

God Bless

Hi Natt,

One word of advise for whatever it be worth... if you compare the KJV with whatever you are reading and find that KJV differs by placing the meaning on Jesus Christ whereas other version would point to the Spirit or on man, I would stick with the KJV meaning as the actual meaning because of His word...

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Not sure if you knew this or not, but the KJV was translated from the Received Text or the Textus Receptus wheras the other versions were from the Alexandria files which included gnostics writings. That is why I favor the KJV because the other versions has served as leavens to present day apostasies just by having those little descrepancies in them.

This is for your information only.

[poorinspirit]

damo1

Hey Brother!

Some people like to feel superior to others. To me, if a person says that one version is better then another, it's a power thing. I reminds me of the form of thinking that goes with cults. "My way is the only way." frame of thinking. All we can do for them is pray.

Brother In Christ,

OneLight

Hi Brother,

I don't know about others, but I find that the KJV is the only version translated from the Received Text or the Textus Receptus. That Bible has pointed out errors in other versions where it points to the Spirit or to man thus leading to present day apostasies. The power is of God for only He can cause the increase.

1 Corinthians 3: 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

But how can God cause the increase if the actual meaning of His words are pointing away from Christ Jesus?

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

With me... the King James Bible is not a power trip when His Word gives me security when the actual meaning of those descrepancies in the other versions points away from Jesus when the truth can be found in the KJV as scriptures were written to testify of Jesus. I lean on the Lord to discern the times we live in through the reading of the King James Bible.

[damo1]

damo1

Hey Brother!

Some people like to feel superior to others. To me, if a person says that one version is better then another, it's a power thing. I reminds me of the form of thinking that goes with cults. "My way is the only way." frame of thinking. All we can do for them is pray.

Brother In Christ,

OneLight

Hi Brother,

I don't know about others, but I find that the KJV is the only version translated from the Received Text or the Textus Receptus. That Bible has pointed out errors in other versions where it points to the Spirit or to man thus leading to present day apostasies. The power is of God for only He can cause the increase.

1 Corinthians 3: 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

But how can God cause the increase if the actual meaning of His words are pointing away from Christ Jesus?

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

With me... the King James Bible is not a power trip when His Word gives me security when the actual meaning of those descrepancies in the other versions points away from Jesus when the truth can be found in the KJV as scriptures were written to testify of Jesus. I lean on the Lord to discern the times we live in through the reading of the King James Bible.

damo1

to poor in spirit stop preaching and quoting from the kings james bible simple warning my friend you are not ordained you are not god and i wil not listen to you simple as that and i pray the other two posters do not get manipulated by a man who can not comit to a church or walk in unity with his brothers and sisters but feels he is hear to judge and play god and say the kings james is the only bible

you are in gods hands my friend that is al i am saying and do not correct me

from damo

[damo1]

Hi Damo1

so you are not alone in this natt but what i do not like is when some one who is not committed to a church and is only wanting people to hear one point this is wear i challange as you can not tel people to read from only one bible which is the kings james version and that should be the only version to read and i did not want to see any one that posted in this topic to be taken advantage of as i have ran into plenty of people like this who see the holy spirit as a bad step child and wil only seek out the father and the son and ignore the holy spirit all together this is very dangerous and their are plenty disgruntled people out their that like to do nothing but throw out twisters and even confusion to see how far they can push new christians jesus even warns us about false teachers and says fals teachers from with in the body of christ wil try to split the breathren up and we also need to keep this also in the back of our minds as well

I totally agree with you about the King James Version. I like to use various versions when I do some bible study. I think they are entitled to their opinion though, even if they don't listen to anyone else's. I also agree with you that the Holy Spirit shouldn't be ignored. But I think Jesus should be glorified above all else. The Holy Spirit is a gift.

I'm still very much in the learning part. I have been deceived before.If I had then used the bible as a yardstick and not my own feelings I would not have got into a particular movement which I suppose why I feel testing if something is from God by the bible is important.

God Bless

Hi Natt,

One word of advise for whatever it be worth... if you compare the KJV with whatever you are reading and find that KJV differs by placing the meaning on Jesus Christ whereas other version would point to the Spirit or on man, I would stick with the KJV meaning as the actual meaning because of His word...

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Not sure if you knew this or not, but the KJV was translated from the Received Text or the Textus Receptus wheras the other versions were from the Alexandria files which included gnostics writings. That is why I favor the KJV because the other versions has served as leavens to present day apostasies just by having those little descrepancies in them.

This is for your information only.

damo1 to poor in spirit

stop playing god hear this is a warning my friend i have seen the other posts you have put up and i wil report them so people do not fall and get mis led you are not god poor in spirit please stop preaching from the kings james bible as you are just making a fool of your self you are on a power trip as you feel every single bible is wrong and the kings james is the only one that is right if you are that worried write to every single publisher and tel them to only print the kings james please do not preach to me poor in spirit you are just one man who can not even comit to his own pastor and like to pull everything i stand for down and sees the holy spirit as a red neck step child who is miss leading gods people astray

when you can learn to walk in unity with your brothers and sisters in the lord may be i wil think about talking and comunicating with you while you are on this power trip and mission your words mean nothing to me as you are not given permission by the mods to do this poor in spirit you are a very bitter person poor in spirit

by from damo

[OneLight]

I won't bother answering your questions, for you have not believe what I have told you already, so why should I try and explain any further? Let me say it once again. I enlarged the letters do you can not over look them, as it seems you did before.

To try to explain something of this magnitude to someone who does not believe that it will ever happen is like trying to explain the presence of God within me to one who does not believe in God. All you hear are words that you will not believe.

I have replied to your thread about being slain in the Spirit ... check the link I left for all to read.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

Poor, I understand about you preaching against excesses in the Holy Spirit (such as the Toronto Blessing etc), but you see, those excesses do not negate the power and gifts of the Holy Spirit. This is what you fail to understand. I pray you will open your heart to the truth that the Holy Spirit is G-d, as the Father is G-d and the Son Yeshua is G-d. The Holy Spirit gives us gifts, please read 1 Corinthians 14. Out fo consideration for your KJV-only stance, here are the verses in question, from the KJV.

We are to DESIRE the Spiritual gifts (given by the Holy Spirit) verse 1 and we are to desire to PROPHESY.

1 Corinthians 14 (King James Version)

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1 Corinthians 14

1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40Let all things be done decently and in order.