The Great Whore of the Revelation (chp 18)

[nebula]

Hey, get real. I wasn't the one who brought up Hagee's name, or elaborated. But now that U have, I will stand by what I said about him.

Actually, Hagee's name was brought up here.

Please don't blame Kari fo following up on previous posts. OK?

[nebula]

OK, my apologies - the way you wrote "But now that U have," I thought you meant Kari.

[eric]

Hi all, I don't wish to get embroiled in this discussion as I have my own thoughts about the woman,

However I have done a little net surfing and have discovered some stull written by Richard Anthony and besides being a preterist, he writes a lot of other stuff, that to my mind is a load of rubbish.However I'm not done with him yet so will do some more digging.

[Guest shiloh357]

One such example is the Jewish leaders of 33 - 70 AD who rejected Truth, Beauty, Love, that is, God Himself. And so, the Whore of Babylon is a code name for the corrupt Jerusalem of the 33 - 70 AD time period, upon whom God's judgment fell.

Which is just Preterist nonsense.

Who were the kings of the earth that were drunk with Jerusalem's fornication?

Who were the merchants of the earth that were made rich by Jerusalem prior to 70 A.D.?

Who were the merchants that mourned Jerusalem's destruction?

Who were the peoples, multitudes, nations and tribes upon which Jerusalem sat in 70 A.D?

When at any time did Jerusalem reign over the kings and kingdoms of the earth?

Jerusalem/Israel bears no resemblance to the whore of Babylon today, or at any given time in Jerusalem's history. Judea was a backwater province on the outskirts of the Roman empire and was neither a center for commerce, nor a major player on the internation scene during the 1st century.

[eric]

Yeah, Toni, I came across that site while surfing. Some of these guys I have never heard of, but are mostly preteristic in their beliefs. The member who challenged. Shiloh to a debate on preterism suddenly vanished.

Google and yahoo can be a trap for the uninformed, unless you're a berean minded christian.

[Guest shiloh357]

The Bible has a lot more to say about Jerusalem in the last days than what is contained in the book of Revelation.

The problem with the theory that Jerusalem is the whore of Revelation is that the OT prophets spoke of end time Israel and Jerusalem and never mention Jerusalem as whore that causes the kings of the earth to be drunk with her fornications. There is no OT corroboration from the prophets. If Jerusalem were the whore to be judged, there would be corroborative evidence from the END TIME writings of the OT prophets.

So far, the only attempt to use the Old Testament appears to be Ezekiel 16, but that is not talking about Israel/Jerusalem in the last days. It is looking BACKWARDS at Jerusalem prior to the Babylonian captivity and God is recounting to the exiled Jews why they were taken captive.

The prophets of God in the OT, consistently speak of God's promise to restore the Kingdom to Israel in the Last days. Ezekiel 36, 37, Zechariah 12, Jeremiah 31, Amos 9, and many other prophetic portions which speak of Israel in the last days just before the coming of the Messiah, consistently speak of the restoration of the Kingdom of God to Israel AND that Jesus Himself upon His return to THIS current city of Jerusalem and will establish His Kingdom there.

About these days, the prophet Isaiah wrote:

And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

(Isaiah 2:3)

It will be hard for the Word of the Lord to flow from Jerusalem in the Millennium, if Jerusalem is judged and left in smoldering ashes and ruin.

An honest student of Scripture will simply admit that there is not enough evidence to solidly identify who or what Mystery Babylon/the whore is. One thing can be certain: There is enough evidence that Jerusalem does not bear any resemblance to the description of the whore in Rev. 17 and 18.

[Isa]

Hi all, I don't wish to get embroiled in this discussion as I have my own thoughts about the woman,

However I have done a little net surfing and have discovered some stull written by Richard Anthony and besides being a preterist, he writes a lot of other stuff, that to my mind is a load of rubbish.However I'm not done with him yet so will do some more digging.

If it is rubbish why waste the time that God has given you reading it.

[Isa]

Hi guys I know this is a stupid question, but I will ask it anyway. Why do you surf the net for answers we can find in the word of God. God's ord is inspired where as the writings of those who are on the net are not inspired. Once again why surf the net?

[Fraught]

The Mystery Babylon from the text of Revelation 17:18 is a "city" that reigns over the kings of the earth. This "city" has a global dominion, and is obviously center of global commerce. John is not talking about a literal "city." He is talking about the rule of the anti-Christ.

Jerusalem has not been, nor is it prophesied to be a city that will rule the world. That is one reason it does not fit the description of "Babylon."

shiloh, the above is a little confusing to me as the 2 paragraphs seem to be contradictory. in the 2nd paragraph you say it can't be jerusalem because it is not a city that rules the world but in the 1st paragraph you say John is not talking about a literal city. could you clarify a little please?

also if you could please address the scriptural references that are pointed out by ToniR and KatyAnn it would also be appreciated by me in the interest of an even discussion. thank you

[Guest shiloh357]

You wouldn't believe the truth even when scripture is looking at you in the face as you have proven over and over here,

You haven't posted any "truth." All you have posted are anti-Semitic ramblings by people promoting their bargan-basement "theology" which is rooted in nothing but Replacement Theology.

and answering any of your questions or reading any of your posts is just a waste of time.

Translation: I can't answer the questions or engage in any valid points that poke a hole in my weak theology, so I will just find a lame cop out to save my pride."

The only thing you have to offer to any discussion here is disruption and insult and rudeness when yu disagree or are proven wrong

I have not been proven wrong. In fact, none of the points I have raised with regard to why Jerusalem is not the whore have been touched. My refutation of Mr. Anthony's article is heretofore, unanswered. Instead you just want whine and snivel that I bothered to answer at all.

and that is the only reason you stuck your 2 cents in here again, as shown by your remarks.

Like I said earlier, as long you continue to promote anti-Semitic teachings as "truth," I will be here to refute them. So yeah, I am here to disrupt...

But the bottom line is that you cannot answer the questions nor can you refute one point I have raised, which anyone can see.