Slain in the Spirit!

[matthew4:4]

May I ask what you believe the Holy Spirit's ministry is? This will enlighten me as to what you think He is not, and also form a foundation on which you stand.

I, for one, do not believe everything people tell me. By the way, this has been around for many years. It is not new.

OneLight

Let me give you a quick background on my Bible education growth(you could call it, lol). I attend a independent baptist church which does not believe the gifts of the spirit are still here and at first I was in line with this but, and theres the but, I am not what you think. I now understand based upon scripture that one can not say that the gifts are not here. I believe in the gifts being here and desire to be blessed with prophesy as Paul instructed. I also believe that there are a great number of individuals from whichever denomination(I am a follower of Christ pertaining to no certain denomination) who are using the gifts wrongly like the corinthian church or are just plain faking. The Bible confirms that this is happening today. I believe in every single word of the Holy scriptures to be true(2 Tim 3:16) and I try my absolute best to apply every word to my life. By the way, its been around since the late 1800s. Thats nothing. I think if it were a real practice within the church and it truly had the power everyone claimed it did it would have carried out from the time of the disciples till now but the disciples did not practice this. Atleast to our knowledge they didnt. I believe it is possible that you could fall due to the overwhelming power of the Holy Spirit but only due to some sort of purpose. Read the verses that relate to it. There was always something happening which was important. You falling in front of your church assembly does what to edify anyone? Again if you disagree with me please provide some scripture to back your opinion. If you do claim to believe only in the Word of God then you should be able to see my point. Again I believe personally that Experience can never overide scripture. Thanks for your reply. Your brother in Christ, matthew

Edited December 24, 2007 by matthew4:4

[Candi770]

May I ask what you believe the Holy Spirit's ministry is? This will enlighten me as to what you think He is not, and also form a foundation on which you stand.

I, for one, do not believe everything people tell me. By the way, this has been around for many years. It is not new.

OneLight

Let me give you a quick background on my Bible education growth(you could call it, lol). I attend a independent baptist church which does not believe the gifts of the spirit are still here and at first I was in line with this but, and theres the but, I am not what you think. I now understand based upon scripture that one can not say that the gifts are not here. I believe in the gifts being here and desire to be blessed with prophesy as Paul instructed. I also believe that there are a great number of individuals from whichever denomination(I am a follower of Christ pertaining to no certain denomination) who are using the gifts wrongly like the corinthian church or are just plain faking. The Bible confirms that this is happening today. I believe in every single word of the Holy scriptures to be true(2 Tim 3:16) and I try my absolute best to apply every word to my life. By the way, its been around since the late 1800s. Thats nothing. I think if it were a real practice within the church and it truly had the power everyone claimed it did it would have carried out from the time of the disciples till now but the disciples did not practice this. Atleast to our knowledge they didnt. I believe it is possible that you could fall due to the overwhelming power of the Holy Spirit but only due to some sort of purpose. Read the verses that relate to it. There was always something happening which was important. You falling in front of your church assembly does what to edify anyone? Again if you disagree with me please provide some scripture to back your opinion. If you do claim to believe only in the Word of God then you should be able to see my point. Again I believe personally that Experience can never overide scripture. Thanks for your reply. Your brother in Christ, matthew

My cousin, who was a strict baptist, decided he wanted to prove that those who believe the way "those denominations" you speak of were wrong, He only proved the word of God correct, He learned that He could be baptised in the Holy Spirit and the full manifestation of that gift came into operation in front of all his peers at the Baptist church he attended for more than 25 years, He was, needless to say, kicked out of that church, well He went deep into the word of God and started studying regularly: God told him to quit his Job and GO, So, He went out with a tent: tent revivals all over the united states, the Lord healed people, People were saved, God was changing lifes, when God told him to Go back to his home town: the Church that kicked him out had folded (on it's own-no influence of my cousin), Guess who is preaching in that Church now and is being blessed. He is the one who led me to the Lord, My parent took us to a primitive baptist church, when we went to visit him: that's when the word of God became so real to me and I accepted the Lord, God healed my Father- his damaged leg was restored to it's normal length. It was alott different than what I was used to seeing, But man, once I knew the Holy Spirit was that real today, do you think I could go back. I also had a word of knowledge spoke to me-that came true 5 years later.

[matthew4:4]

damo1

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also i have seen were satan can rob people blind were if god wants to bless a person or heal a person i call this a demonic demon that comes in and toys with our minds if one has had a bad experiance were their prayers have not been answerd or were they have not been heald this automaticly puts up a wall around that person and then the person will have a hatred towards those that do belive as i said walking in the gifts of the spirit as the apostle paul talks about in 1 corinthians 14

one thing my church does not do is force this on any one as its up to the holy spirit to do this not my pastor not my leaders or those in the prayer team and the catchers that stand behind when a person is being prayed for

i to have had this happen to me and were i have stood my ground the pastor and the leaders saw i was a man who was hear to have an encounter with god not with mans doctrine

when i did come around i asked god to show me that this is off him as if i was to belive in gods word and were i was to also share this gospel i wanted to make sure it was not a religiouse spirit or a demonic spirit stopping me from being blessed as god only gives good things to his children he does not tend to harm us or lead us down a wrong path

i found one of your posts and you said you belive how much do you belive in gods word did god direct you to the right person was this person who you are meant to settle down with ?

as i was going to respond to your topic but other peopl have done this

i do not need to give you scripture passages to prove my point as i said we do not force things on people we allow the holy spirit him self to do this as its only the holy spirit that can convict a person and when god wants to bless some one or set some one free and they experiance this freedom from with in how is it wrong should all pastors listen to those that have had bad experiances ? and should all pastors and leaders and those involved in the prayer ministry and catchers sit on the behinds because sevral people are saying we are allowing our selves to be attacked by demonic demons ?

if you have any bittner ness in you i ask that you do not take out your bittness on me i am a fellow brother in the lord just like you i was a sinner but it is by the grace of god that i am able to share what he has done in my life

if i stayed negative and if i held on to the bad things that i had experianced i would honestly be better of living the life i was use to as at least i can find sevral people and have a big self pity party were we sit in one big group and pull all the christians down that are open to the holy spirits leading and who alow the holy spirit to have full reign in their lives

i hope you can see what i am saying hear matthew4.4

i wil even walk in unity with my other brothers ans sisters that do not see things the way i do as i do not have that right to sit on my high horse and judge this is not who i am i do not even force my views on know one but i will stand up for what i belive in and i will not alow an unstable person to tell me to give this nonsence up or prove it from gods word

god bless from your brother in the lord damien stipic

Hey Damo,

God bless! Umm, you jumped around a bit so I'm sorry if I'm a little slow but you kinda lost me. I think you automatically assumed I was saying the gifts are not here which is obviously not true. I just don't believe in practicing this so called "slain in the spirit" or "falling in the spirit". I don't think it's something we should practice within the church. Now, let me make myself clear. This is my opinion based upon my understanding of scripture. I'm not saying this is the way it is. If you disagree please show me scripturally where I'm at fault. How you guys practice things in your church doesn't really show me much. No offense but I need scripture. Just as you I believe in the Word of God and nothin else. If its there its there if its not its not. Get me? Let me know. Your brother in Christ, matthew

[OneLight]

You can check my post above to see what I know personally, but, as I stated, I can find no scripture. I was questioning how you stood on this matter because I have learned not to assume anyones stance on any subject.

I agree that there is no proof that anything in the past happened, for I have nothing in writing, yet, I can not disprove it neither. I believe that all the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation, or should be. I can not prove it one way or the other. It is by faith that I believe this and would love to see the Body be in one accord so the Gifts would operate in every gathering, the true Gifts, not the fake ones. It is sad that some have made a living on lies.

OneLight

[matthew4:4]

Amen Candi,

Great little testimony there! I actually was giving a message at my church a couple weeks ago about the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is such a great gift from God but many Christians don't even know it's there. It's like going out to battle with your sword but unfortunatly you're blind. Many Christians are truly blind depending upon their own strength to fight back against satan's temptations. If they only listened to the Holy Spirit and prayed for help they would eventually become filled with the Holy Spirit living a life filled with joy and love. It's incredible when you let the Big Guy take care of all your problems. Lets all tonight if you feel like it pray to the Lord thanking Him for leaving the Holy Spirit within all of us and pray that He continues to fill us with that amazing spirit! AMEN! Love you all, matthew

[Candi770]

Amen Candi,

Great little testimony there! I actually was giving a message at my church a couple weeks ago about the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is such a great gift from God but many Christians don't even know it's there. It's like going out to battle with your sword but unfortunatly you're blind. Many Christians are truly blind depending upon their own strength to fight back against satan's temptations. If they only listened to the Holy Spirit and prayed for help they would eventually become filled with the Holy Spirit living a life filled with joy and love. It's incredible when you let the Big Guy take care of all your problems. Lets all tonight if you feel like it pray to the Lord thanking Him for leaving the Holy Spirit within all of us and pray that He continues to fill us with that amazing spirit! AMEN! Love you all, matthew

God is good-

blessins to you

candi

[Sherman]

I think that we're operating on an assumption here that I do not believe is completely valid. That assumption is that if it's not in the Word, then it's not a valid manifestation of the Spirit. And if it is in the Word, then it should happen with the same frequency as happened in the Word and the way it happened in the Word. I don't believe either of these are valid assumptions. We're talking manifestations of the Spirit, as He wills. If He wills to do something in our generation that is different than what has happened before, then that's His choice and I hope to be part of it. And if He takes an uncommon (in the biblical record) manifestation of the Spirit and makes it common, that's fine too. Scripture certainly doesn't say that one should not fall down when they sense the presence of the Lord.

Concerning examples, if one refuses to accept positive examples as evidence, then one cannot validly use negative examples to prove anything either. To do so shows a predisposition to reject it as valid and not seriously consider it judiciously.

[OneLight]

I think that we're operating on an assumption here that I do not believe is completely valid. That assumption is that if it's not in the Word, then it's not a valid manifestation of the Spirit. And if it is in the Word, then it should happen with the same frequency as happened in the Word and the way it happened in the Word. I don't believe either of these are valid assumptions. We're talking manifestations of the Spirit, as He wills. If He wills to do something in our generation that is different than what has happened before, then that's His choice and I hope to be part of it. And if He takes an uncommon (in the biblical record) manifestation of the Spirit and makes it common, that's fine too. Scripture certainly doesn't say that one should not fall down when they sense the presence of the Lord.

Concerning examples, if one refuses to accept positive examples as evidence, then one cannot validly use negative examples to prove anything either. To do so shows a predisposition to reject it as valid and not seriously consider it judiciously.

I see the Holy Spirit doing what He will, without checking with any of us!

edited for spelling error

[damo1]

damo1

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i should have pointed out some things first let me say i use to be an orthadox croation cathlic and if you have orthadox cathlic friends you would know how cathlics are when it coms to penticostal charasmatic and apostolic churches

i was very negative as i questioned a lot of things matthew if i was to encounter god then i would need to experiance him my way with out man forcing his views and his doctrine on me i have a strong baptist friend who is very apostolic like me but is a southern baptist pastor he has a web sight called spiritual war fare and i love pastor jerrys heart as i met jerry threw his web sight that he has set up and when ever he goes to india he emails me and i pray for his needs to be met jerry is such a jenlte man and this man has been a blessing in my life

when this came threw i was in teen challange in gosford lower mangrove it was a 6 month program this is were god began to deal with me as in the friday night prayer meetings i would sit back and question what i was seeing even in my church i settled in which was a luthren unitting church but it was very charasmatic the pastor was an old army chaplin and he was very open to the holy spirits leading and teaching

my mentor who became my spiritual mentor was able to answer my questions as i heard were people have been brain washed which i found out it was false what my friend did with me is this he got me to put my trust in the holy spirit and he also told me to line things up with gods word if it did not line up with gods word i was told to cast it aside i also was told to have a note pad with pen handy

i just did not jump in blind on this as being an orthadox croation cathlic i never saw this in the parish in my own village i grew up in but i was not even a committed orthadox croation cathlic i went to please my grand father and my grandmother as they were very strong orthadox croation cathlics they loved what the pope john paul had to say my grand parents worshiped this man were with me i hatted the idea off sitting in a church and seeing what i saw with my own eyes

ok comming back to teen challange the staff would often force you to fall back and when i stood my ground and did not fall back when being prayed for like the other people who were also their to be heald and set free from their drug addictions i would find my self in the office with the staff member and the maneger trying to figure out why i was so hard headed

so i said this were i made it simple and clear i am hear to deal with my addiction i am not hear to be toyed with or to be told to take on mans doctrine i said if was to encounter god it would have to be between me and god not you and me and your guild lines i said this is a christan rehab run by nicky cruze and david wilker son since i have been hear i have seen were people have faked it and i said i did not like seeing masks being put on when ever we would viset a church to were sevral were asked to share their testimony and then when we come back to base drugs would be droped off at he front and those who were running teen challange would use what i call threats to keep some one from saying some thing

so this is why i am standing my ground when it comes to you trying to force me to fall when ever you pray for me as while you are doing this sevral are smashed of their faces and i wil not allow my self to fall for this way of thinking

i ended up leaving teen challange and after 8 months the center was clossed due to sevral being busted

i fought real hard and my friend in oconner unitting church said please stop fighting god it got to the point were i went in my room one night and i fell on my knees and i prayed and said i know you only want to give me good things lord you know were i am on this whole thing if this is off you then i do not want to place a curse on my self or stop you from blessing me i want to encounter you just as every one else yet my human side says its all fake

i know what the bible says lord and i am hungry for your word please help me accept this with out fighting you

well i went down the front and i just alowed the holy spirit to have his way my pastor did not force me the leader that was praying with him by standing behind me did not force me it happend naturlaly

i no longer say its fake when i see some one slain in the spirit matthew yes people can also fake this and this is were i alow the holy spirit to bring this to the surface and not once has the holy spirit let me down matthew

so i hope you can see know what i am trying to say

read what you left for one light if i can say one thing if you are at this stage then i ask that you find some good people that have been their if you want i can ask my friend jerry who lives in america to communicate with you i wil come back to this topic later on i have his email adress and i can pass you on his web adress as well

god bless from your brother in the lord damien stipic

[matthew4:4]

I think that we're operating on an assumption here that I do not believe is completely valid. That assumption is that if it's not in the Word, then it's not a valid manifestation of the Spirit. And if it is in the Word, then it should happen with the same frequency as happened in the Word and the way it happened in the Word. I don't believe either of these are valid assumptions. We're talking manifestations of the Spirit, as He wills. If He wills to do something in our generation that is different than what has happened before, then that's His choice and I hope to be part of it. And if He takes an uncommon (in the biblical record) manifestation of the Spirit and makes it common, that's fine too. Scripture certainly doesn't say that one should not fall down when they sense the presence of the Lord.

Concerning examples, if one refuses to accept positive examples as evidence, then one cannot validly use negative examples to prove anything either. To do so shows a predisposition to reject it as valid and not seriously consider it judiciously.

Hey sherman, I guess it gets down to your opinion on how exactly you believe in the Word of God. I personally do not believe in anything outside of it but if you believe in outside experiences thats your own opinion I guess. I personally believe the Word has revealed to us all we need to know. And I don't understand what the reason for new things happening now would be and why they wouldn't happen back then either. I think that with this specific topic the Word is the only evidence that stands on firm ground. I came to my faith through the conviction of the Holy Spirit and the incredible amount of evidence for Jesus. We must "test the spirits" and as 2 Timothy 3:16 says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." I guess it comes down to what way you believe in the scripture. Anyway, its gettin a bit late. To all a good night and to all God bless! Your brother in Christ, matthew