Trinity

[Hunterpoet]

What does it mean exactly, " to believe in the trinity"?

Do the scriptures, support this belief?

[OneLight]

Trinity is from the base word Triune, meaning three in one. There are many scripture that points to this, more then I care to post. Yet, I will give you one scripture and then give you three places at a website called All About God, where you can read about the trinity. The scripture is found in Matthews 28:18-20.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying,

[other one]

some scripture and a few of my personal thoughts on the subject

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Ex 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

KJV

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John 6:44-46 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

KJV

Moses and friends saw the God of Israel and were not harmed.

Jesus says that no man has seen the father except He that came from Him.

So it seems to me that the Father that Jesus speaks of, is not what that the Nation of Israel interfaced with in the old testament.

Looking further:

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John 1:1-10 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

KJV

John 8:52-58 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

KJV

It seems to me to be saying that Jesus was what the Nation of Israel interfaced with in the old testament days. Jesus in this form was with the Father from the beginning.

It seems to me that the people of the old testament days were not aware of the Father except for what they saw through the Jesus in the form he existed in before he became flesh.

Further:

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Phil 2:5-11Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

KJV

It appears to me that Jesus as the word was that which the Father worked through to manifest Himself to the people of the old testament times. Jesus did not regard himself to want to be the equal to the Father so He took the form of a human to further the works of the Father on earth.

Jesus was deity by being in the form of God, but it was the Father that did the work through Him when he was the Word. It appears that the only thing that has changed is Jesus is now flesh working the same way only as a man. The Father exercises His will through Jesus, now in the fleshly body.

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John 14:10-11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

KJV

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John 17:20-26 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

KJV

It seems to me that Jesus just extended the conduit from Him to us for the Father to do His work through Jesus to us so we could know the Father as the Father knows us. Thus we now can do the work of the Father. I believe this is the path and workings of the Holy Spirit

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1 Cor 15:20-28 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

KJV

Jesus, before His ascension told the Apostles that all power and authority had been given to Him. After he has subdued everything Jesus will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him........ The Father.

I don't see the Son always being equal with the Father, either when He was the word nor in the flesh. He will also be subject to the Father after He does the job of bringing the kingdom into it's full power over all and giving it to the Father.

1 Cor 8:4-6 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

KJV

[Sion]

What does it mean exactly, " to believe in the trinity"?

Do the scriptures, support this belief?

From what I understand. The trinity is a doctrine adapted by the Nicene creed of 325 AD (Roman Catholic) that separates God into three separate persons or beings but still as being one God.

Other studies show that there is only One Spirit. The Spirit that is God and the spirit that is in Christ and the Holy Spirit all being one and the same.

For instance, Isn't this following scripture calling the Holy Spirit that Indwells the Believer "The Spirit of God".

Romans 8

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Christ teaches us here in this scripture that "God is Spirit".

John 4

24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

Christ teaches us that He is the father in this scripture.

John 14

9 -He who has seen Me has seen the Father;-

So would it be safe to say The father=the Son= the holy Spirit. Still you have one and not three.

1st john 5

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

If Christ is the word and the only visible image of the father and the Spirit makes it so. We still have One Spirit over all

Matthew 28

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Ditto.

[Guest shiloh357]

onwings, you have been instructed by the mods to cease ALL teachings concerning the heresy of "oneness." Your post has been reported for removal and for further action as deemed necessary by the moderators in light of your refusal to adhere to board policy.

[Trusting Jesus]

You won't find the word "Trinity" in the Bible, but you will find the Trinity all through God's word. It is a very difficult sujbect to explain and difficult for our human minds to grasp. I have come up with some "examples" that sort of describe it, but still fall short. For example there is Kool-Ade: There are three parts to it - water, flavoring, and sugar. These are three individual items, but still one.

This still falls short of really understanding the Trinity. Here is a link to an article that might help: http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html.

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Nathele

[redwing]

What does it mean exactly, " to believe in the trinity"?

Do the scriptures, support this belief?

One of the three persons of God. Because Jesus died and rose to new life, the Holy Spirit now lives in all God's people. He is the One who makes them new, teaches them and gives them freedom for a new life. (John 14:15-31; Acts 2:1-21; Romans 8:1-27; 1 Corinthians 2:6-16; Galatians 5:16-26)

[Guest shiloh357]

onwings, you have been instructed by the mods to cease ALL teachings concerning the heresy of "oneness." Your post has been reported for removal and for further action as deemed necessary by the moderators in light of your refusal to adhere to board policy.

The mod's have never told me not to give my opinion on this subject.

Why would you say something that you obviously have no way of knowing?

Did you just make that up or what?

Moderators have closed threads and publically stated that you (and all of us) are to abstain from all teachings of oneness. I did not make it up. It has been publically stated and cited from the TOS that WBs does not support the teaching of oneness and that it is not to be taught here. By continuing in that teaching, you are violating the TOS and board policy.

[Sion]

What does it mean exactly, " to believe in the trinity"?

Do the scriptures, support this belief?

Blessings Hunterpoet

There is one God who has revealed Himself in 3 persons. (Trinity : 3-in-1 Godhead)

Each have a different position and function yet none act on their own but in unity. All of these persons are eternal, co- equal in power and majesty and deserve our worship.

All 3 are THE ONE GOD

The Father is God

Galatians1:1

Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),

Ephesians4:6

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all

Philippians 1:2 "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord"

The Son is God

Romans9:5

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Colossians2:9

For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

John.1:1

... "and the word was God."

1 John. 5:20

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Isa. 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace

Heb. 1:8

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom

The Holy Spirit is God

Genesis 1:2

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

Acts 5:3-4

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God

1Corinthians2:11

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God

1 Corinthians6:19

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Isaiah 11:2

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD

All three simultaneously exist

The Father is eternal

James 1:17

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning

The Son is eternal

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

Micah 5:2

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting

The Holy Spirit is eternal

Heb. 9:14

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hope that helps

Esther

What is the difference between the invisible God who is Spirit and and The invisible Holy Spirit of God? How are they two different persons?

John 4

24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

Colossians 1

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Ephesians 4

30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

[redwing]

What does it mean exactly, " to believe in the trinity"?

Do the scriptures, support this belief?

There is God the Father (Gen 1-2; 6:5-7; Ex. 20; 32:9-14; I Kings 8:27; Psalm 90; 102:25-27; 145:18; Isa. 40:12-31; 66:1; Mal. 3:6; Matt. 10:29-30; John 4:24; 5:26; Acts 4:34-35; 17:23-25; Eph. 1:11; II Pet. 3:8; Rev. 4:10);

God the Son (John 1:-18; 20:28-31; Acts 7:59; Rom. 9:5; 10:9-13; II Cor. 12:7-9; Phil. 2:5-6; Col. 1:15-17: 2:9; Heb. 1:1-12; I Pet. 3:15); and

God the Spirit (John 14:1626; 15:26-27; 16:7-15; Acts 5:3-4).

All three are proclaimed together in Matt. 28:19; Rom. 8; 15:17-29; II Cor. 13:14; Eph. 1:3-14; II Thess. 2:13-14; I Pet. 1:2; Rev. 1:4-5). These are not separate God's, this would be "Tritheism", nor are they one God acting out three roles, this would be "Modalism". Even though the word "Trinity" as a word is not found in the Bible, however the concept and essence is clearly stated. And the concept is one God with three conversing distinct ways to reveal Himself, "Personalities:, or "Substances". They are co-equal and co-eternal, they each have full divinity, yet are a distinct Person. We are required to give equal devotion and worship, but they are not three, but One in purpose and unity.