Mark 16- Should there be believers drinking any deadly thing?

[irishcowboy]

My guess is no. Arsenic anyone? But the end of Mark, as some are sure to know:

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Maybe its metaphor. We're supposed to have great faith, and can move mountains. But not physically move a mountain.

I imagine people have drunk things & died for not understanding the verse right. But a few can speak in tongues, heal, handle snakes, & cast out devils.

Anyway, thanks.

it is written, THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD....

No, we are not to purposely do things that would normally cause harm.... we are not to be playing with fire....

for instance, at age 5, i held a diamond back, no i did not dance with it nor taunt it, a handler was with me and instructed me how to do it..... I do not mess with venomous snakes, i understand them, i respect them. i have handled many snakes over the years, and yes, some venomous, usually removing them from populated area's where people would be apt to step on them..... the only snake ever to bit was a garden snake of almost 4 foot.... yes, it brought blood, but no danger.

i have had scorpions walk across my hand while sitting on the stoop, the first black widow i captured i found crawling on my arm....... I do not tease these animals, i treat them with respect...... not fear.....

drinking things to PROVE, something is not the way it is to be......

Saul biten by a viper, John was poisoned and even boiled in oil, doing it to prove a point is not the right way......

as with Saul, picking up a piece of wood to place on the fire, and a viper snags him, he shakes it off? How? cause the Spirit of God is with him.... and the viper dies..... hmm tells me that i do not wish to bite Paul during a fight.... lol....

you are right, people tend to use verses the wrong way, to do what they want to do.....

mike

[Fraught]

all for the glory of God. if someday, somewhere, a believer needs to drink a deadly drink and not be harmed for the purpose of glorifying God/displaying His power either for the purpose of bringing another to repentance or for some purpose known only to God, then it can and will happen. this is how i see the purpose of all miracles. it seems to me that until that time, they would only be for the glory of self.

[angels4u]

Of course believers shouldn't be drinking anything deadly, this bible verse is not to be taken lightely, I know somebody testing another persons faith by asking him to drink poison and if he would live, he would believe in God and otherwise his God is the most powerfull

[exrockstar]

All 5 of the so called five-fold callings are in effect until the second coming, "The Perfect Age".

Eph. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

youre first error you did was not take the scripture early enough.

Eph 4:7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8This is why it[a] says:

"When he ascended on high,

he led captives in his train

and gave gifts to men."

He is quoting from Psalm 68. Read it.

Is he talking about spritiual gifts from the Holy Spirit? No, He is talking about unity in the body of Christ to grow together in our upward spiritual walk.

"12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up "

AND YOURE tying this to spiritual gifts that protect you from poison and such?

well, if it floats your boat then fine.

guzzle away

[angels4u]

Second, to my knowledge, I have never drank anything poisonous and do not advocate the tempting of the Lord by doing such things intentionally. These snake charming Christians and people who intentionally ingest poison are fools who tempt the Lord contrary to scripture. The passage is merely stating that if you accidentally get snake bitten or ingest something deadly, by

faith, God will protect you

Do you try to say God wil not let the person die if he or she got bitten accidentely?

God will protect us, but we might die.............even with the biggest amount of faith but we will never lose our soul

[exrockstar]

First of all, get a bible that isn't doctored if you want to discus doctrine, because yours loses much of the meaning of the ephesians 4 passage on both this topic and others. As an example, the term "Captivity Captive" has a very specific meaning which your Bible has ommitted and replaced with "Captives in his train", and lost its real meaning.

i went to bible gateway.com and copied and pasted. relax.

Second, to my knowledge, I have never drank anything poisonous and do not advocate the tempting of the Lord by doing such things intentionally. These snake charming Christians and people who intentionally ingest poison are fools who tempt the Lord contrary to scripture. The passage is merely stating that if you accidentally get snake bitten or ingest something deadly, by faith, God will protect you.

it's not even about gettin bitten and you not being hurt. the entire passage reads the following:

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

IF I DISPROVE ONE THING THEN THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THIS ENTIRE PASSAGE.

so a verse says "they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. "

tell ya what. Walk into a hospital emergency rooma and ask one of the churches that practice that to start healing.

will they do it? NO THEY won't.

The verse never says the sick has to be a believer. The person healing is the believer.

As a matter of fact...those miracles were done by a believer to make the unbeliever believe.

So go do it. I'll be standing by the TV set hearing "Top story tonight: miracle group walks into emergency room and starts healing the sick."

Will it happen? NO. Why...cuz it's gone.

And this isn't that prayer kinda healing. this is instantaneous:

Acts 28:8 His father was sick in bed, suffering from fever and dysentery. Paul went in to see him and, after prayer, placed his hands on him and healed him.

This isn't a group humming and hooing every week making a prayer list. SO if you believe on "touch and heal" then by all means there

are tons of hospitals waiting for your service and be glad to believe in Christ.

[angels4u]

First of all, get a bible that isn't doctored if you want to discus doctrine, because yours loses much of the meaning of the ephesians 4 passage on both this topic and others. As an example, the term "Captivity Captive" has a very specific meaning which your Bible has ommitted and replaced with "Captives in his train", and lost its real meaning.

i went to bible gateway.com and copied and pasted. relax.

Second, to my knowledge, I have never drank anything poisonous and do not advocate the tempting of the Lord by doing such things intentionally. These snake charming Christians and people who intentionally ingest poison are fools who tempt the Lord contrary to scripture. The passage is merely stating that if you accidentally get snake bitten or ingest something deadly, by faith, God will protect you.

it's not even about gettin bitten and you not being hurt. the entire passage reads the following:

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

IF I DISPROVE ONE THING THEN THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THIS ENTIRE PASSAGE.

so a verse says "they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. "

tell ya what. Walk into a hospital emergency rooma and ask one of the churches that practice that to start healing.

will they do it? NO THEY won't.

The verse never says the sick has to be a believer. The person healing is the believer.

As a matter of fact...those miracles were done by a believer to make the unbeliever believe.

So go do it. I'll be standing by the TV set hearing "Top story tonight: miracle group walks into emergency room and starts healing the sick."

Will it happen? NO. Why...cuz it's gone.

And this isn't that prayer kinda healing. this is instantaneous:

Acts 28:8 His father was sick in bed, suffering from fever and dysentery. Paul went in to see him and, after prayer, placed his hands on him and healed him.

This isn't a group humming and hooing every week making a prayer list.

I do believe in prayer and that God answers ALL our prayers but He doesn't always answers them the way we want.........

I believe its very arrogant to say the person who died with faith didn't have enough faith to get healed?

And the Healer is always "God"

[exrockstar]

I do believe in prayer and that God answers ALL our prayers but He doesn't always answers them the way we want.........

I believe its very arrogant to say the person who died with faith didn't have enough faith to get healed?

And the Healer is always "God"

i believe in prayer too but that mark passage is not "prayer healing."

The apostles had to go preach the gospels and they did the things Jesus did to convince the people.

They touched and healed.

[deut31:12]

If you think the Gifts of the Spirit are finished, why don't you go visit a few older pentecostal churches, preferrably Assemblies of God, Church of God, or non-denominational, and you'll see they are still very much alive.

I was part of a Pentecostal church and I will say that what they were doing was not the gifts that we see in the bible. Tongues were used to teach others of another nationality so they could understand the gospel. Other miracles we used to help convert the unbelievers that Salvation was only through God. Remember, there was a lot of idol worship amongst the Gentiles.

As far as the poison, we see an example of what happened to Paul.

"And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god." Acts 28:3-6

These signs and wonders were for the purpose of converting the lost.

[stan4257]

I hope this clears this up some ...

It does, OneLight, but I am still puzzled why so many keep quoting the last few verses of Mark when those verses have been added later to the original and are, therefore, not scripture and not a sound basis for discussion about scripture.

Or am I mistaken in what I think?

Quite open to being corrected.