Age of the Earth

[BlindSeeker]

Reposted in search for a reply . . . .

Blind seeker, I noticed you were on line while I was editing my post so you did not get the full just of it. so I'll repeat what I added when I edited it. H dad admitted that to know when satan fell is speculation. so since most of the gap theory doctrine is based upon the fact that satan fell between verses 1 & 2 of Genesis chapter 1 that pretty much blows the whole gap theory.

I'm familuar with Hugh Ross's theory, and it doesn't hold water.

Who's lying?; Whosever does not tell the truth, the same is a liar right?

You did not edit out the words I was referring to in which you declare your correctness . . . so it still reads the same to me.

If someone shares their beliefs about something and they are mistaken I would not call them a liar . . . would you?

Nobody has mention Hugh Ross . . . what's your point?

[Gerioke]

It baffles me how the bible can cause so many to scrap.

[traveller]

It baffles me how the bible can cause so many to scrap.

I think it is becasue of the passion in the Word, and one's convictions of his interpretation.

I've seen worse over football games.

As far as this particular thread - please keep the discussion on the issue and not on one another.

Thanks, fellas.

[BlindSeeker]

It baffles me how the bible can cause so many to scrap.

I do not think anyone is scrapping here.

Paul told the Corinthians to "Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong." As noted by Adam Clarke, these are all military phrases regarding how we are to be regarding the truths of God. So . . . when it comes to discussing the Word of God it is more of a responsibility than a right to ask for clarification.

You never know who is following the conversation but not partaking.

Peace.

[psalmone]

Brothers and Sisters,

This question came up in chat today, (July 3, 2008):

Accoding to the Bible, starting with Adam, mankind is approx 6,000 years old according to the Hebrew calender. so then How much older is the Earth compared to Man? Is it 4 days older, or is it much older as stated by the verse, 2Pe 3:8 "But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day."?

Your comments would be appreciated.

Love In Christ,

Bill_C.11

I believe the Genesis account because after all it what is of faith that is substantial Hebrews chapter 11. Others speak of pre-creation stuff but that's is not important and we can safely discard these because it is faith that we have to do with and this is what is upheld of the Word of Life.

I sometimes wonder of the mechanics of it maybe matter was speeding from eternity-past to honour the Words that that were spoken of God. It is the Word though that we must emphasise of the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world. I believe creation was orchestrated to honour the Lord and the ripples of His Love demonstrated at Calvary with past, present and future involvement (for want of better words).

I hope this helps.

[EricH]

If someone shares their beliefs about something and they are mistaken I would not call them a liar . . . would you?

Nobody has mention Hugh Ross . . . what's your point?

No I would not either. A liar is some one who intentionally misrepresents the truth. One who communicates things that are not true unknowingly is not a liar. They are mistaken.

[HAZARD]

I am not out to change anyones view on when God created the Universe, I am about gleaning the Scriptures to find just what they do say. If I am in error so be it, but if one can find two three or more scriptures to support a doctrin then such doctrin can be believed. Personally, I believe both science and the Bible supports an old Earth, at least much older than 6,000 years.

Just when did God create and make the material universe?

Keeping in mind the Scripture "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1), we can ask ourselves but never imagine or even contemplate when "In the beginnin was because God is an eternal being, who forever was and forever ever will be. "The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:2-3).

The Bible says that the heavens cannot be measured and the host of heaven cannot be counted (Jer. 31:37; 33:22-25). If this is true then the material universe is vast beyond conception, and as God has existed from all eternity it is also hard to concieve that He only decided a few millenniums ago to do something.

In answer to this question the Bible tells us that, "In the beginning [literally, by periods or ages] God created the heaven [Hebrew, heavens] and the earth," it does not say "Six thousand years ago God created the heavens and the earth," as is generally taught by man. Does anyone know just when the beginning was? If anyone does know, then they know more than God as revealed. If no one knows just when the beginning was then it stands to reason that we just do not know and therefore, we should not teach that the beginning was 6,000 years ago. As far as any man knows it could have been six billion years ago.

When we speak of the six days and the creation of the present life in Earth, we can speak with definate authority that it was 6,000 years ago. This can be seen by the lengths of the various dispensations since Adam.

Some teachers use Exodus 20:8-11; 31:17 to prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Gen. 1:3-2:25, and therefore, that they were created about 6,000 years ago. However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages. In these Scriptures the Hebrew, asah, meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of the word bara, to creat. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days, and not the original creation "In the beginning." Asah never means to create.

Undoubtedly, God created and made the different parts of the material universe and each thing therein, using the same care as in the six days when He restored the planet Earth to a habitable state and made a new order of Earth creatures, after its destruction and ruin caused by the first war ever fought. This war was a cataclismic battle between God and Satan, when Lucifer invaded Heaven to cast God out. Satan was defeated and cast back down to the Earth, as is written in Isa. 14:12-14; Luke 10:18. This war was fought long before the days of Adam, for Lucifer was already a fallen creature when he came into Adams Eden. For an unknown period, there was an original social system on this Earth ruled by Lucifer as proved in (Isa. 14:12-14; 45:18; Jer. 4:23-26; Ezek. 28:11-17; 2 Pet. 3:5-7). Along with this origional social system there were land animals, birds, fish, and other creatures created, and they were destroyed in the flood of Gen. 1:2; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-7. It is to this period that all fossils and remains of animals belong, as well as geological formations of the Earth.

Between these original creation's of God, "In the beginning' and the creations of the six days, is revealed the rule of Lucifer on the earth for an unknown period, his rebellion against God, the Earth's first sinful career, the defeat of Lucifer by God, and the overthrow of his kingdom by the first recorded flood on the earth in Gen. 1:2. Lucifer was the first ruler on the earth and he already had his period of Earth rule and his fall by the time of Adam.

In the work of the six days, it is stated that God with His hands FORMED each of the living creatures and man out of the dust of the ground (Gen. 1:20-27; 2:7-25; Job 26:13; Rom. 9:20; 1 Tim. 2:13). It is not only clear that God created the heavens and the Earth and all things "In the beginning," or each in its own period, but it is also clear the God FORMED all things with His hands. God formed both light anddarkness (Isa. 24:7). He did not do this on the first day of Gen 1:3-5, for at that time He merely DIVIDED them. Therefore THEY MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED AND FORMED before the first day. It is also stated that God with His hands FORMED the Earth (Ps. 8:3, 6; 90:2; 95:5); the heavens (Ps. 8:3; 9:1; 102:25; Isa. 40:12; the planets (Ps.8:3; Isa. 40:26; 45:12; 48:13; Heb. 1:10) and all things (Prov. 26:10). From a study of all these Scriptures and those on the creation af all things, it is clear that by the Word of God the materials were brought into existence, and then by His hands God formed the materials into the various parts of the universe. That is, as God spoke, the materials came into existence and as fast as they materialized He used them to form all things with His hands. (Ps. 8:3; 2 Pet. 3:3-9; Prov. 26:10).

Judging from what was done by God in six days, it took God a long time to originnaly create or bring into existence the material and use it to form with His hands each sun, moon, star, planet, and each creature that inhabits the vast endless universe. God took one day to merly divide the light from the darkness on this little planet Earth. How much time He originally took to bring into existence all the light and darkness of the entire universe is not known, but evidently He took a longer time than one day. God took one day to divide the waters which covered the Earth and restore the firmament and took one day to restore the earth and set bounds to the seas, therefore He naturally took a much longer period to originally bring the materials into existence and form the waters, the firmament, and the earth with its many mountains and valleys. God took one day to complete solar regulation in connection with the restored Earth, but He evidently used a much longer period to originally bring into existence and formwith His own hands the vast heavens and all the suns, moons, stars, and planets that are without number. God took two days to form the fish, fowls, beasts,, man and woman. He naturally took a much longer period to originally creat and form each inhabitant of the vast heavens and the many animals and inhabitants who originally lived on the Earth during Lucifer's kingdom, long before the chaos of Gen 1:2 and the six days of Gen.1:3-2-25.

In other words, if God took six days to restore one little planet to a habitable state and form new inhabitants for the earth, He would naturally take a much longer time to originally create and form with His hands the vast universe with all of its innumerable suns and planets along with their inhabitants.

In Jesus,

Haz.

[spiritman]

It baffles me how the bible can cause so many to scrap.

2 Tim 4:2-4 (KJV) 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Yes Gerioke it is sad; but someone has to do it. Who will stand in the gap for those who have been decieved and need to hear the truth. I'd feel worse I think If I didn't correct my brother out of Love.

[spiritman]

Hey ya'll - lets leave out the bodily function terms -

I edited a couple of previous posts. words, ya know.

sorry everyone no offense intended, I should have used less, offensive example

[spiritman]

Hey ya'll - lets leave out the bodily function terms -

I edited a couple of previous posts. words, ya know.

thanks traveller.

its hard to read a debate when people are using words that make u cover your eyes

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

Yea right