Karma

[seekeratthesea]

What do you think would really happen to Christianity if all Christians started using "karma" as the word to describe "what goes around comes around", applying the principle to God where it originates from, and rejecting all the reincarnation stuff? I see it as a threat to the false religion, NOT Christianity.

What happened to Israel when they built a golden calf and claimed it was God?

What opinion did the Lord have of the High Places of worship, even though people worshiped Him there?

What if a Christian were to use the Wiccan phrases "Blessed be" and "Merry meet" - after all, aren't we to bless each other?

It is not possible to corrupt any of God's principles.........God, His principles, and Christianity are stronger than you can imagine and grow even more so when tested.......I hope you can find a stronger faith because Christianity deserves it.

The most dangerous enemy is not the one you can see, but the one you can't see.

If you are not sensitive to how good the enemy is at deception, you are that much more vulnerable to be snared.

"A fly ruins the ointment" - that's a verse in Proverbs. Take God's principle and add a little lie to it - and the principle becomes corrupted. Satan does this all the time.

When we look for God's truth in other sources, we need to filter it through the entire Word and sift out the lies.

"What goes around comes around" is not the Biblical principle. It may sound similar, but it still is not the principle of reaping and sowing.

And it is unScriptural to claim words do not have power. After all, it was through spoken words that God created the universe and the world. Moses was told to speak to the rock (and was punished for not doing so). Several prophets were commanded to speak words of prophecy in order for them to take place. Jesus often spoke specific words when healing and performing other miracles.

Jesus spoke the written Scriptures to rebuke Satan - not another religion's concept of the principle.

Those three things are not answers....they're just three more questions that don't answer anything. Why won't YOU answer yourself. I would still like a answer here....

What do you think would really happen to Christianity if all Christians started using "karma" as the word to describe "what goes around comes around", applying the principle to God where it originates from, and rejecting all the reincarnation stuff? I see it as a threat to the false religion, NOT Christianity.

I think this will be the third time now......and at this point I'd also like to know what the big deal has been about answering it. I didn't think it was an intimidating question when I asked but even when you finally respond, you still refuse to answer....so what's the answer and what's the big deal.

And I think you also realize that the words spoken by God, Christ, the prophets, etc are not what I was talking about when I criticize the phobia about the word karma.

And the only unseen enemy I think you need to worry about is this phobia you have about that word. It could be mistaken as an indicator of how weak you think Christianity really is.

Well here we go again but I also never said that "what goes around comes around" is a Biblical principal.........did I? I believe I've called it a principle of God. It's suggested to in the Bible but not laid out with those words, which actually make it sound more secular than I think it is. With relation to karma, the word is often associated with the "what goes around comes around" notion. I believe that "what goes around comes around" is true, and I believe that God is in charge of all things, and I'm not worried if someone uses the word karma to describe that principle as long as God is acknowledged as the sovereign which is what I've done the few times I've used it.

[Guest shiloh357]

Sorry but I do and it's very easy to be clear and specific and to use that word without confusion.

The problem is that you are taking a liberty that you don't have the right to take.

Nobody ever had a conversation with me and thought I believed in the blue guy.

Who or what is the "blue guy?"

I think you realize that you could also have the conversation and be clear....it actually takes about one extra sentence, and wasn't really necessary anyway.

You don't seem to understand what is really at stake. First of all, using a pagan term and using it in reference to God is a violation of the Scripture. God makes it very clear in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 12, that not only are we not employ pagan traditions as they pertain to other gods, we are not to adopt the customs of the pagans and employ those customs as they pertain to God Himself. To do so, is highly offensive to Him. To reduce his truth to a pagan concept is not a thing He approves of at all.

The problem with you is that you are defending your heresy on the basis of what seems perfectly acceptable in your own eyes. One of the things that got people into trouble with God is that each man was doing was right in his eyes. Each man lived as a law unto himself and did what he wanted as he saw fit. You are falling into the same trap.

If you have issues with the word, than as with people that had issues with meat sacrificed to idols you shouldn't use it, same would apply to the Christmas comparison. But that's your issue.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Christmas and food sacrificed to idols are issues of conscience. Employing customs and integrating such into your life is NOT an issue of conscience and it is what got Israel sent into exile for 70 years.

Most people can use the word AND keep a sensible perspective about it and not attach power to it that doesn't really exist. You seem to be applying to many of your own fears onto others.

No, I am simply going by what the Bible says. You are one of these people that wants to live the Christian life on your terms. You want to do what seems fit in your judgment, but you are giving exactly zero consideration to God or to what He says in the Bible about your employment of pagan concepts.

What do you think would really happen to Christianity if all Christians started using "karma" as the word to describe "what goes around comes around", applying the principle to God where it originates from, and rejecting all the reincarnation stuff?

the problem is that you can't employ it apart from reincarnation. Only in your imagination does something like that work. First of all, God forbids it. It might be harmless to you, but you are evidently unable to see the bigger picture, which makes people like you dangerous for the Body of Christ. If you are willing compromise your faith on this issue, what else is there you would be willing compromise.

You will do as you see fit, but I, however, am a Christian and I will follow God and not some silly, liberal, adolescent nonsense.

[ayin jade]

Seekeratthesea, there is at least one member that I know of, a new Christian, who is stumbling because of your belief that using karma is ok. This member is wondering if he/she (Im keeping this as vague as possible) can continue with the principals and words of a false belief system he/she had before Christ. This will hinder his/her walk with the Lord.

We have come out of Egypt and need to turn away from the old pagan things. Karma is a counterfeit to Gods words. Karma is a tool used by the enemy to lead astray. Renounce it as Christians need to renounce false things that are not remotely of God.

[OneLight]

New Age and the Emergent Church will agree 100% with you. I, however, can not, nor will I allow this rhetoric to seep into my thinking, not because it is a phobia, but because it is not of God. There are a lot of New Age terminologies that I will not use that is being used in other churches worldwide. Kama is just one of many. Just because it is being used, does not make it correct.

You seek answers, and so do I. Can you tell me the name of the church that you attend? I would also like to know the doctrines they hold and your personal belief about the Emergent Church? Hopefully, with this information, I can start to understand where you are coming from and why you do not see this as an issue, as we do.

In His Love,

OneLight

[stevehut]

I, however, can not, nor will I allow this rhetoric to seep into my thinking, not because it is a phobia, but because it is not of God. There are a lot of New Age terminologies that I will not use that is being used in other churches worldwide. Kama is just one of many. Just because it is being used, does not make it correct.

[stevehut]

We have come out of Egypt and need to turn away from the old pagan things. Karma is a counterfeit to Gods words. Karma is a tool used by the enemy to lead astray. Renounce it as Christians need to renounce false things that are not remotely of God.

[nebula]

You also know that I wasn't talking about karma as a deity so that's not an excuse to the God karma comment. It's been explained more than once in this thread that I'm using the definition that in the OP. That whole phrase is your term...all of it, not mine.

Ah, but you see our contention now? You are upset that I chose to interpret your words my way.

We are contesting that the claim of the OP and of your argument is doing the exact same thing - interpreting someone else's concept (karma) your way.

It is the same thing. (The onoly difference being we don't have the originator of the karma teaching here to be offended by your twisting of the teaching.)

Now do you understand?

You also know that I wasn't speaking of it terms of going to India for a conversation about it and if I were, the definition in the opening post wouldn't apply anyway. You're actually creating things to argue about here that weren't said or implied.

Because it is important. Truth is truth.

Anyway, I doubt this is the reason you are arguing this case. I believe you are angry that I got angry at you for attacking my friendship. Am I right? Because I have no desire to be slugging out defenses when we need to be talking about the subject matter.

And I wasn't talking about you accepting karma either. It's been clear in my own posts that I don't accept it myself,

So then why are you arguing for the case of karma if you don't believe it yourself?

I and some others here are trying to tell you what karma is and means, not what another person wants it to mean.

As for the OP, the OP asked if we agreed or disagreed that karma is Biblical, and we are answering that it is not.

I just don't get phobic about applying the word to the "what goes around comes around" notion with the understanding that in reality it comes from God since he's the obvious creator of everything.

The fear of the Lord is to hate evil, and the Scirpture is clear about associating ourselves with false religions.

If you want to call my fear of the Lord a phobia, then so be it.

Twice so far I

[stevehut]

the problem is that you can't employ it apart from reincarnation. Only in your imagination does something like that work. First of all, God forbids it. It might be harmless to you, but you are evidently unable to see the bigger picture, which makes people like you dangerous for the Body of Christ. If you are willing compromise your faith on this issue, what else is there you would be willing compromise.

[seekeratthesea]

Seekeratthesea, there is at least one member that I know of, a new Christian, who is stumbling because of your belief that using karma is ok. This member is wondering if he/she (Im keeping this as vague as possible) can continue with the principals and words of a false belief system he/she had before Christ. This will hinder his/her walk with the Lord.

We have come out of Egypt and need to turn away from the old pagan things. Karma is a counterfeit to Gods words. Karma is a tool used by the enemy to lead astray. Renounce it as Christians need to renounce false things that are not remotely of God.

Well if that's true, then you have a GREAT reason not to help keep this thread alive by continuing to respond.

If this person you speak of was in a false belief system then they should get out..........if they have doubts they should err on the side of caution.

But to help keep the thread alive and then complain that my opinions are hurting people won't work. Nobody who responds should be complaining about the thread or me doing harm because with no responses.....the thread becomes dead. Safe for your to assume that I won't be responding to zero responses.

[nebula]

What do you think would really happen to Christianity if all Christians started using "karma" as the word to describe "what goes around comes around", applying the principle to God where it originates from, and rejecting all the reincarnation stuff? I see it as a threat to the false religion, NOT Christianity.

What happened to Israel when they built a golden calf and claimed it was God?

What opinion did the Lord have of the High Places of worship, even though people worshiped Him there?

What if a Christian were to use the Wiccan phrases "Blessed be" and "Merry meet" - after all, aren't we to bless each other?

Those three things are not answers....they're just three more questions that don't answer anything. Why won't YOU answer yourself.

Jesus answered with questions all the time.

The point being if you can answer these questions, they would grant you insight into my answer.

To speak of karma as a Scriptural principle to me would be the same as me greeting you with, "Merry meet" and sticking a "Blessed be" bumper sticker on my car.

I could say that to me "Blessed be" is short for "Blessed be the name of the Lord," but to a Wiccan, who uses this phrase, it means something way different and would not be bringing glory to the Lord at all to her. No, I would have to display the full quote: "Blessed be the name of the Lord!" - which is what the Scripture declares.

If that answer doesn't satisfy you, then I will repeat what Shiloh says, because what he said explains my thoughts to the t.

First of all, using a pagan term and using it in reference to God is a violation of the Scripture. God makes it very clear in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 12, that not only are we not employ pagan traditions as they pertain to other gods, we are not to adopt the customs of the pagans and employ those customs as they pertain to God Himself. To do so, is highly offensive to Him. To reduce his truth to a pagan concept is not a thing He approves of at all.

And the only unseen enemy I think you need to worry about is this phobia you have about that word. It could be mistaken as an indicator of how weak you think Christianity really is.

Resorting to personal attacks is not the way to deal with conflict.

Anyway, see my note above about the fear of the Lord.

Well here we go again but I also never said that "what goes around comes around" is a Biblical principal.........did I? I believe I've called it a principle of God.

Correct me if I am wrong -

But did you just say that it is not a Biblical principle, but it is a principle of God?

You lost me here.