To say Pants are wrong for Women, is it Oppression

[tah]

In your church..

in your house ..

in your situation..

what is God telling you to do ?

that would determine what I would wear..

God does care how dress..

so if I listen I am ok...

If God spoke to me not to wear pants..I would not..

vice versa...

I can be immodest in pants or skirts..Yikes but some pants are immoral..so are some skirts..

You know.. I do not think all churches who proclaim no pants for their ladies is oppression..

I think they are just trying to follow what they believe the Lord has spoken to them..

God knows all of our hearts and why we do what we do ... ...

[Leonard]

Well in most of the world in Jesus' time, as near as I can tell men and women wore pretty much identical garments: A short tunic and perhaps a wrap of some sort in the cooler weather.......

[LadyGunivere]

is it wrong for women to wear pants to church? No why? because we live in a society where the shorter it is the better it gets apparantly...Me personally I don't feel comfortable unless I'm either completely covered the important parts and I look classy enough to go anywhere in. At the same time. I don't wear short shorts or micro mini skirts cause to me they look like a poor excuse to pay 50 bucks for clothes. Now if someone wants to come into a place and worship wearing anything short more power to them cause I couldn't do it. Also Jesus told us to love everybody not just those who dress well.

[Guest shiloh357]

This is why I hate religion. It binds people up in rules and regulations about nonissues.

The Bible commands modesty. Beyond that the choice is yours. If you are not dressing in a manner that causes others to stumble, then wear what you want.

Religion takes the focus off of Christ and places it on things like how much make up you wear, or how long your hair is or if you wear pants or a dress or a tie or whatever.

The enemy has us chasing rabbits over nonissues.

The church needs to stop letting the enemy put the focus on religion and rules. God's program is about resoring man to Himself. We need to less focused on using our lives to make religious statements and more spend more time making a statement about Jesus with our lives and with our witness.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

This is why I hate religion. It binds people up in rules and regulations about nonissues.

The Bible commands modesty. Beyond that the choice is yours. If you are not dressing in a manner that causes others to stumble, then wear what you want.

Religion takes the focus off of Christ and places it on things like how much make up you wear, or how long your hair is or if you wear pants or a dress or a tie or whatever.

The enemy has us chasing rabbits over nonissues.

The church needs to stop letting the enemy put the focus on religion and rules. God's program is about resoring man to Himself. We need to less focused on using our lives to make religious statements and more spend more time making a statement about Jesus with our lives and with our witness.

Good answer! Thanks!

[Willow325]

Now I'm wondering just what does that mean anyway?...pertaineth unto a man...since they all wore robes. I'm guessing they all did.

The point God was making was not for men to make themselves appear feminine. In ancient times male prostitution was an act of worship to pagan gods and men who served in that capacity who were homosexual would make themselves appear femine to attract and seduce other male worshippers. There was a much bigger picture than just wearing a type of garment.

Even in biblical times women and men wore "breeches" under their robes. Breeches were similar o pants but would keep one's privates well hidden if the wind caught your robe the wrong way.

Honestly, this is why I hate religion.

Shiloh -- The specific religion was Babylonian, the mystery religion of the goddess Ishtar who had both male and female priestesses serve her temple as harlots/whores who they considered to be holy and pure, and who during a religious sex rite of worship with a worshiper (either male or female) would become 'one with the goddess' and thus the goddess became 'one with the worshipper' in order for the worshipper's sins to be forgiven and purified by sexual secretions. Ishtar's religion invented homosexuality as a means of attaining salvation as also heterosexual union as well... holy sex -- sex by salvation and or salvation by 'works.' Afterwords, the worshipper would give a thanksgiving offering by putting a gold or silver coin or coins into the temple's collection box before leaving. Ishtar's temple invented the concept of money, banking on loans for interest. Her harlot-whore priestesses and the thanksgiving offering was the very first instance of prostitution.

Prostitution as we know it today, did not exist in ancient Babylon nor any other of the ancient cultures. There was no need for it -- the Ishtar Temple took care of that problem.

The prohibitions about men dressing feminine in scripture was to not be mistaken for being an Ishtar devotee. The abomination was Ishtar's religion not a matter of dress, per se for either gender, man or woman. Ditto for the idea of fornication and adultery -- the abominations were when associated with the Ishtar religion.

Oh, Shiloh- you're in good company about hating religion -- God also hates religion - See Isaiah 64 6

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;"

The Hebrew word "Filthy Rags" is the word for used, smells-to-high-heaven" menstrual cloth -- and this is what God thinks of our righteousnesses or our good deeds, or our religious deeds. Imagine what he thinks of our sins. Yup, God hates religion and religion is defined as anything that requires us to 'act a certain way, be a certain way' and by what we do, gain brownie points with God. That is religion. And that negates grace, evertime, as Paul so eloquently stated in Romans and later in Galatians.

I really enjoyed reading your reply. Thanks for educating me.

Willow325

[Willow325]

Hey everyone

Oh yeah, I dare I was trying to get an answer on another thread and I'm not sure if someone actually worded it this way, maybe it was in another thread, etc, but here' my qusetion.... SO open for debate

Why do people say that for people to say that women shoudl not wear pants (becuase they are immodest), it is opppresive? Personally, I think it should be something by conviction, I think it's the work of the Holy Spirit leading and working on your heart (not to say that someone more or less spiritual because they have not been convicted about it), and not that it is in any way oppressive in the sense that people try and say that women are below men... keeping in mind that it is biblical that a woman is not to asurp authority over the man, but why can we not say it's oppression to say that men ahve to wear pants, not skirts, if we can say it's oppression to say that women should wear skirts (dresses, modest), and not pants?

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I usually wear a dress every day during the hot months. It's much cooler than pants.

This pants topic reminds me of the Salem witch trials. A man claims a woman bewitched him when it was the man who had a problem controlling his own desires when he looked at a woman.

Perhaps the women wearing pants, in today's religious denominations, has something to do with that. Men looking at all the curves below the waist and being tempted, so to speak, and then blaming the woman for his weakness.

I prefer a dress over pants, but that's only because I enjoy the comfort of a dress or skirt. I wear them long so when I get in and out of a car, no one can see what I'm wearing underneath. I can cross my legs and my thighs don't show. Everything is hidden from whomever is looking at me. And with women being a target for some men, in my opinion, we women should dress modestly in public.

I had a friend who used to wear very sexy clothing in public. She had a good figure and she thought it was okay to flaunt it, wherever she went. Unfortunately for her, this one particular man was watching. He cased her house for months, found out when she was home, when she worked. One night he broke into her house and raped her in her own bed. After that, she stopped wearing the sexy clothes, and stopped showing off her figure. She told me had she known a rapist was watching her, she never would have worn those clothes.

Sometimes the long dresses and baggy clothing which is not the style is sometimes better to wear so the men can't see all those curves we women have.

If you don't agree, that's fine.

Willow325

[sheya joie]

Well, all I can say is I certainly don't feel oppressed.

[~~ angelique ~~]

This is why I hate religion. It binds people up in rules and regulations about nonissues.

The Bible commands modesty. Beyond that the choice is yours. If you are not dressing in a manner that causes others to stumble, then wear what you want.

Religion takes the focus off of Christ and places it on things like how much make up you wear, or how long your hair is or if you wear pants or a dress or a tie or whatever.

The enemy has us chasing rabbits over nonissues.

The church needs to stop letting the enemy put the focus on religion and rules. God's program is about resoring man to Himself. We need to less focused on using our lives to make religious statements and more spend more time making a statement about Jesus with our lives and with our witness.

Thank you. I will say it again, I don't know one single pagan that would care one iota. It's a mute point in the real world. This is strictly a "religious" argument and who wants that? Religion is dead. God is alive. This whole topic has been a real turn off for me. I am having a hard time getting into church. When I get there is this the kind of nonissue that will be discussed? :31:

I don't see what it has to do with Jesus but see it has everything to do with legalistic religion. But, that's just my opinion. :noidea:

[nebula]

I am having a hard time getting into church. When I get there is this the kind of nonissue that will be discussed?

Not all churches. In some churches, it's OK for people to wear casual clothes, even.