3 Plain Statements About The Rapture

[Floatingaxe]

http://www.learnthebible.org/q-a-the-last-trump.htm

[7thseal]

Whether pre, mid or post...I believe we should take heed to what Jesus said.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[Massorite]

http://www.learnthebible.org/q-a-the-last-trump.htm

It is irrelevant if you believe the last trump is the same as the 7th trumpet or not. I know a lot of posttribbers do, I do not necessarily believe they are. However if they are not the same then the 7th trumpet of Revelation is before the last trump because there can be no trumpet sounded after the last one, and since 1st Cor 15:52 clearly states the rapture is at the last trump that means the rapture cannot take place until the tribulation is over much less before it has even begun.

OHHHHH! YAAAHHHHH!

[Floatingaxe]

http://www.learnthebible.org/q-a-the-last-trump.htm

It is irrelevant if you believe the last trump is the same as the 7th trumpet or not. I know a lot of posttribbers do, I do not necessarily believe they are. However if they are not the same then the 7th trumpet of Revelation is before the last trump because there can be no trumpet sounded after the last one, and since 1st Cor 15:52 clearly states the rapture is at the last trump that means the rapture cannot take place until the tribulation is over much less before it has even begun.

OHHHHH! YAAAHHHHH!

No way!

[Guest man]

Way.

[Celt]

The "trump" of 1 Thess.4 and the "last trump" of 1 Cor.15 is the same trumpet.

In the Greek they are both the same word, and in 1 Cor.15:52 the word "trumpet" is used in the same phrase with "trump". We know it's the same trumpet in both of those Scriptures, because the main subject in both examples is about the resurrection at Christ's coming.

The idea of a rapture of the saints is about those still alive on earth being joined with Christ and the saints He brings with Him that were asleep. Per Revelation 5 and 20, Christ's saints are to rule with Him ON THE EARTH. That begins immediately at Christ's coming to start His thousand years reign here on earth. That signals only a one-time coming of our Lord Jesus, and gathering of His saints to Him. And because Paul said it would be the "last trump", meaning the fartherest one out, the tribulation must occur before that last trump (the 7th trumpet of Revelation).

[LIVN4JC]

Truly awesome post. Thank you for all the research you put into it. It has answered many questions for me. You have truly helped me understand the coming a little better. Many blessings to you.

[Massorite]

The "trump" of 1 Thess.4 and the "last trump" of 1 Cor.15 is the same trumpet.

In the Greek they are both the same word, and in 1 Cor.15:52 the word "trumpet" is used in the same phrase with "trump". We know it's the same trumpet in both of those Scriptures, because the main subject in both examples is about the resurrection at Christ's coming.

The idea of a rapture of the saints is about those still alive on earth being joined with Christ and the saints He brings with Him that were asleep. Per Revelation 5 and 20, Christ's saints are to rule with Him ON THE EARTH. That begins immediately at Christ's coming to start His thousand years reign here on earth. That signals only a one-time coming of our Lord Jesus, and gathering of His saints to Him. And because Paul said it would be the "last trump", meaning the fartherest one out, the tribulation must occur before that last trump (the 7th trumpet of Revelation).

That is right Celt. If the last trump wasn't the seventh trump the bible would say so.

[Celt]

Revelation also gives another solid timeline marker pointing to Christ's coming at the end of the tribulation. Many forget to note the three woes that are given with the last three trumpets sounding, the 5th, 6th, and 7th trumpets (starting at end of Rev.8 through Rev.11:15). On the last or third woe per Rev.11 is our Lord's coming to end the events of the first and second woes.

There is no doubt, not even a little, that Scripture evidence of the three woes with the last three trumpets was written so we wouldn't get the timing of Christ's coming mixed up. It makes it easy to then note those who follow what the Scripture says, compared to those who won't.

[Massorite]

Revelation also gives another solid timeline marker pointing to Christ's coming at the end of the tribulation. Many forget to note the three woes that are given with the last three trumpets sounding, the 5th, 6th, and 7th trumpets (starting at end of Rev.8 through Rev.11:15). On the last or third woe per Rev.11 is our Lord's coming to end the events of the first and second woes.

There is no doubt, not even a little, that Scripture evidence of the three woes with the last three trumpets was written so we wouldn't get the timing of Christ's coming mixed up. It makes it easy to then note those who follow what the Scripture says, compared to those who won't.

I agree.