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Is a belief in the Trinity Doctrine neccessary for salvation?

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Do you have to be a Trinitarian to be a Christian?  

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  1. 1. Do you have to be a Trinitarian to be a Christian?

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The Father is the only true God, and those are the words of Jesus Himself.

John 17:3 This is life eternal that they may know you (The Father) the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

First of all, I guess it is totally lost on you that Jesus is praying to someone who is not Himself and refers to Himself in the first person and to God in the second person, meaning that they are separate. If Jesus is the Father, then He would not be "sent."

The man Jesus Christ was praying to God the Father.

Actually Jesus was both God and man and was praying to the Father.

Omniscience God was praying to omniscience God?

Hmmm . . . :thumbsup:

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Is Jesus still 100% man?

Yes.

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Is Jesus still 100% man?

Yes.

When did He become 100% man?

Can you support your reply scripturally?

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I think this thread was premature.

In a few more months, we could have had a snowball fight and settled this matter once and for all.

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Have YOU ever found yourself guilty of taking yourself to seriously?

There is no snow even in winter where I live.

Just skew this so I lose.

Life is just sooooo unfair. :)

Im joking people. Altho we really dont have snow in Phoenix.

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No because God is the Father and the Son of God is a man.

So you believe that Jesus on earth was only man and not God?

That denies the truth of scripture.

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QUOTE (shiloh357 @ Sep 15 2008, 10:00 PM)

Thirdly, John writes that Jesus is the true God:

If Jesus says the Father is the only true God, and John says Jesus is God, this proves that Jesus is the Father.

No, it proves that Jesus was and is God.

The Bible does not teach the teaching of the trinity that there is a ''God the Son'' or ''God the Holy Spirit''. The Bible Teaches that there is one God the Father and the Son of God the man God became and the Holy Spirit of God. The Bible teaches that these are all one not that they are separate.

the problem is that you are trying to draw a superficial and false dichotomy between the phrases "God the Son and "Son of God." Both mean the same the thing. You claim they are different, but that is not true. Both are simply phrases that express Jesus' Deity.

It would appear as if you seem to be saying that Jesus was not God while on earth. I will let you clarify that, though so that I am not jumping to conclusions. Do you believe that Jesus was God while in His earthly ministry?

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The Father is the only true God, and those are the words of Jesus Himself.

John 17:3 This is life eternal that they may know you (The Father) the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

First of all, I guess it is totally lost on you that Jesus is praying to someone who is not Himself and refers to Himself in the first person and to God in the second person, meaning that they are separate. If Jesus is the Father, then He would not be "sent."

The man Jesus Christ was praying to God the Father.

Actually Jesus was both God and man and was praying to the Father.

Omniscience God was praying to omniscience God?

Hmmm . . . :)

When Jesus took on flesh, He divested Himself of many of the Divine prerogatives He enjoyed in Heaven prior to taking on human flesh.

Omniscience was one of those, along with several other qualities. Jesus was both God and man while on earth. Do you have a problem with that basic Christian belief?

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Is Jesus still 100% man?

Not only is Jesus still 100%, man, but He is still a Jew.

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Neb, to discuss this I would have to know exactly what that word "God" means to you.

I'm not sure I understand your train of thought.

Neb, my dad is dieing in a nursing home a few blocks from home and I'm a bit preoccupied this week. I'll have to get back to this a little later.

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When did He become 100% man?

I would submit, always.

Or at least since he gimped up Jacob's leg in that wrestling match.

Can you support your reply scripturally?

I would think the fact that we are made in God's image and we are man, would be supportive.

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