What does a Nation under Judgement look like?

[Guest Yacov]

Grace to you,

Do you think that the people of Israel who were about to go under full Judgement and in fact were in the early and later phases of it knew it in those days? Do you think there were believers who knew it?

If not, why not?

Peace,

Dave

Shalom to you Dave!

Yes and no. There definately were righteous Jews who heeding the Word of ADONAI. The unrighteous knew, yet they did not know.

The same goes for today. There are thousands of righteous Jews and Rabbis most go unreported for obvious reasons. They too know the signs of the times today. They see it in the righteous gentiles coming to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of the L-rd called Tabernacles. This has not been done since around 325 CE or 365 CE when the church abandoned its roots due to persecution. They see it in what is happening in Israel today for what is happening now happened when Joshua took the Promised Land. They see it because the Sanhedrin had to be reformed in order to annoint the Messiah with oil. There is an earthly Messiah coming on the scene soon in Israel - very soon. And then, sudden destruction will happen. Then you know the rest of the story.

Tell me more about the gentiles coming to Israel to celebrate the feast of Tabernacles. Do the Jews resent that?

Also - what happened in 325 CE?

1) No the Jews do not resent it. It was prophesied. The Rabbis in Israel KNOW INTIMATELY that we are in the end of days. This is just one sign of it. They know that the Righteous Gentiles will come to her side in the end of days. The book of Joel clearly talks about Judgment on the Gentiles or nations. G-d Himself is drawing a line in the sand. Either you are for Him or against Him. If you are for Him then you will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Jewish People now. Right now, I personally think that Dec 21, 2012 will be a day of Judgment for the Gentile Nations. In the next month or so, I should have all the details. However, this day is a Solar Eclipse and a special one at that for this one has not happened since the dawn of time itself. A Solar Eclipse in the bible refers to Judgment of the Nations. A Lunar Eclipse in the bible means Judgment to Israel.

2) Emporer Constatine in 325 CE stated that the Church should not be associated with the destestable Jews. He called all of us Idolaters because we followed the Laws that are in scripture. The same Laws that Abraham lived by and taught everyone by. The same Laws that Melchisdek Judged by, his father Noah lived by, Adam lived by. He also stated that the Church should not continue to do "the feast of the Jews." They were in his mind passover, Tabernacles, Yom Kippur, etc. In doing this, the church is well unprepared for the L-rd's coming. Before this date, passover was called by most Roman authorities Easter. The feasts of the Jews are Chanukah, Purim. Passover and Tabernacles are the Feasts of the L-rd. Constatine was attempting to stop the Church from practicing the Feasts of the L-rd like Cornelious celebrated.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Here's the article I read;

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=85871

I maintain that the writer is correct and that America cannot see it yet, although I believe that the Church will wake up to reality first and has begun to.

However, like Israel of old, I wonder if anyone will heed the message.

Peace,

Dave

[Guest man]

What does a Nation under Judgement look like?

Look out your window.

[mizzdy]

Grace to you,

Here's the article I read;

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=85871

I maintain that the writer is correct and that America cannot see it yet, although I believe that the Church will wake up to reality first and has begun to.

However, like Israel of old, I wonder if anyone will heed the message.

Peace,

Dave

I was listening to a talk by John Loeffler who said something simliar as Farah. A lot of people are awake and see what is coming. Loeffler as well as many keep pointing out we are already a global one world system when countries banking systems fail because of the actions of just a few nations. Farah makes the statement about lack of discernment about the eternal and unchanging laws of God, the way I see it unless we as a nation become united and in agreement as to what God's unchanging laws are and how to abide by them America is indeed being punished and laid low by God. I think individuals are waking up in droves and wondering what is going on but I have to wonder if many of the big churches will ever see. Its like when Roberston came out and said that America would except socialism but didn't say to christians this may be the beginning of the rise of the beast or whatever it is maded me wonder just why he didn't. It was almost putting a stamp of approval from God that socialism is peachy keen. But then again its all working out just like God said it would.

[kross]

Grace to you,

Here's the article I read;

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=85871

I maintain that the writer is correct and that America cannot see it yet, although I believe that the Church will wake up to reality first and has begun to.

However, like Israel of old, I wonder if anyone will heed the message.

Peace,

Dave

I think the "it" you are speaking of is the idea that we are under judgement.

I think the first reallity is that GOD does not chastise those that are not HIS. The world at large may feel some pain, but it is not disturbed by the GODlessness around us. The judgement on this nation is because HIS people have failed to be what they are supposed to be. Very much like Israel in the OT. As those who are HIS act righteously, those around them benefit. When those who are HIS are not righteous, those others will suffer as a rsult of HIS chastisements of HIS people.

Those who are not of GOD and are not saved will never really get it. They will shake their collective fist at GOD to the very end.

I think that those who are CHRIST's who are reading and studying and looking for the signs, see it very clearly. The problem is, we all think our church or our group or us personnally, have it right and it is everyone else who is at fault. So many diametrically opposed messages from the pulpits of america keep us divided and weak. So, even as we see the judgement and the end coming at us, we can not do anything turn the tide.

I have said it before and I will say it again, if there is a way to stop the destruction of our nation and resist the powers of evil, it will only be done by the spread of the gospel and the saving of souls. If the Christian community would stop being sidetracked by earthly concerns and just do this one thing, than GOD would heal our land.

[Guest Yacov]

Grace to you,

Here's the article I read;

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=85871

I maintain that the writer is correct and that America cannot see it yet, although I believe that the Church will wake up to reality first and has begun to.

However, like Israel of old, I wonder if anyone will heed the message.

Peace,

Dave

America, in general, does not see it. Even as our economy spirals downward more and more, most think it will just suddenly reverse itself and go back to business as usual. It won't. As others have said this is a spiritual problem on the part of our nation. Some are aware of it, but most are not. Some do not want to see it. Some do not want to be told about it.

I think many true Christians know what is happening, but beyond prayer and witnessing, are not really sure what to do. . .

Jeremiah 8:11-12 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. "Peace, peace," they say, when there is no peace. 12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

To my good CUFI friend,

"My people perish due to lack of knowledge." Please allow me to throw out something to you and others to see if you agree. If the Prophet Joel is correct (and I beleive he is) that G-d Himself will bring all the nations or gentiles (both of those words can be translated from the word goyim in Hebrew) to the Valley of Jehosaphat and He will call it the Valley of Decision, is it reasonable to assume that any righteous gentile would want to be on Israel's side in that day?

How about today?

Is it reasonable to assume that G-d is drawing a line in the sand?

Since the scriptures clearly state that all the "gentiles" will be in the Valley of Decision, is it reasonable to assume that the righteous gentiles need to have boots on the ground fighting along side the Nation of Israel?

I think it reasonable to assume that NO NATION will side with Israel in those days. Is it because the church has been raptured?

Or is it more reasonable to assume that the church is in the Valley of Jehosephat in the Valley of Decision helping to show Israel who her Messiah is?

Considering all the persecution that has been done to the Jewish People throughout the centuries, is it reasonable to assume that the righteous gentiles will be there fighting along side Israel and dying along side Israel, thereby, showing them the Love of Yeshua to Israel?

Just a thought to ponder on.

[Massorite]

Dear Kross,

I think that you are on to something. What do you think that it would take to get the righteous community out of stagnation mode?

Yacc

The second coming of CHRIST, the Rapture, a new Heaven and a new earth.

As much as it may cause a fuss to say this, it is GOD's intention that the downward spiral continue until HE brings the world to an end.

The best we can do is preach and teach and do as individuals as much as we can in the empowerment GOD has given us. As a whole, things will continue down. We have some ability to effect our personal Jerusalem. Stand firm, work hard, teach truth.

I agree with you kross but I believe that theGod'sre will be a hard core revival in the middle of great tribulation that is to come.

I agree with both of you. However, because of the signs in the heavens above, please look out for 21 Dec. 2012, 2014/2015. If what scientists have calculated to happen, something major will happen in the fall/winter of 2012 and on several Feasts of the L-rd - Passover, and all 3 Fall Feasts both of the last 2 years and it will not ever happen again in this century on any Feasts of the L-rd nor Jewish Feasts/Holy Days. I am not stating that Our Messiah comes on any of those dates, however, I suggest being a Wise Virgin during these coming days.

I also agree that there will be a revival during this time. It will happen, however, AFTER the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and the High Priests are doing their heavenly ordained duties. There will be more power given to believers in those days because EVERYTHING in scripture will come to pass and be accomplished. The Jewish people will not see who Our Messiah is until the Temple is Restored and the Sacrificial System is restored and functioning properly again. Then Hashem will restore complete salvation to the Jews in a way that I do not think ANYONE living can fathom.

Well I believe that scripture tells us that the Great tribulation will be within the first three and one half years of the so called seven years of tribulation nor does it say anything about seven years of the wrath of God. I use the words "so called" because there is no where in the bible that tells there will be seven years of tribulation. The bible speaks of a tribulation period, a period of the wrath of God and a period of seven years. So I believe that the great tribulation will be first and then the wrath of God will come in the last half bof the seven. It is the first half that I believe that the out pouring of the spirit of God will come to give strength to those being persecuted. As soon as the temple is built and satan sits in the holy of holies and says "You want God? Here I am" IE showing himself to be God, that is when real hell comes to earth in the form of the wrath of God. That is also the point at which we will be taken up and the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth. Just before all of this happens there will be silence in heaven for the space of 30 minutes real time as we know it.

I also believe that it is during the wrath of God that the Jewish people will be protected from the wrath and will except Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.

[Guest Yacov]

Dear Kross,

I think that you are on to something. What do you think that it would take to get the righteous community out of stagnation mode?

Yacc

The second coming of CHRIST, the Rapture, a new Heaven and a new earth.

As much as it may cause a fuss to say this, it is GOD's intention that the downward spiral continue until HE brings the world to an end.

The best we can do is preach and teach and do as individuals as much as we can in the empowerment GOD has given us. As a whole, things will continue down. We have some ability to effect our personal Jerusalem. Stand firm, work hard, teach truth.

I agree with you kross but I believe that theGod'sre will be a hard core revival in the middle of great tribulation that is to come.

I agree with both of you. However, because of the signs in the heavens above, please look out for 21 Dec. 2012, 2014/2015. If what scientists have calculated to happen, something major will happen in the fall/winter of 2012 and on several Feasts of the L-rd - Passover, and all 3 Fall Feasts both of the last 2 years and it will not ever happen again in this century on any Feasts of the L-rd nor Jewish Feasts/Holy Days. I am not stating that Our Messiah comes on any of those dates, however, I suggest being a Wise Virgin during these coming days.

I also agree that there will be a revival during this time. It will happen, however, AFTER the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and the High Priests are doing their heavenly ordained duties. There will be more power given to believers in those days because EVERYTHING in scripture will come to pass and be accomplished. The Jewish people will not see who Our Messiah is until the Temple is Restored and the Sacrificial System is restored and functioning properly again. Then Hashem will restore complete salvation to the Jews in a way that I do not think ANYONE living can fathom.

Well I believe that scripture tells us that the Great tribulation will be within the first three and one half years of the so called seven years of tribulation nor does it say anything about seven years of the wrath of God. I use the words "so called" because there is no where in the bible that tells there will be seven years of tribulation. The bible speaks of a tribulation period, a period of the wrath of God and a period of seven years. So I believe that the great tribulation will be first and then the wrath of God will come in the last half bof the seven. It is the first half that I believe that the out pouring of the spirit of God will come to give strength to those being persecuted. As soon as the temple is built and satan sits in the holy of holies and says "You want God? Here I am" IE showing himself to be God, that is when real hell comes to earth in the form of the wrath of God. That is also the point at which we will be taken up and the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth. Just before all of this happens there will be silence in heaven for the space of 30 minutes real time as we know it.

I also believe that it is during the wrath of God that the Jewish people will be protected from the wrath and will except Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.

You have a very interesting concept that is worth exploring. I do not agree but neither do I disagree.

[nebula]

Although this discussion is interesting . . . I do believe we have gone off-topic from the OP.

Dave????

[Matthitjah]

Although this discussion is interesting . . . I do believe we have gone off-topic from the OP.

Dave????

Huh?

I posted a link to Joseph Farrah's recent assertions that I believe to be correct.

The economy in this Country is all over the place but I haven't heard one single National Spiritual or Physical Leader call for us to seek Gods Guidance.

They have out their bag of tricks to spend us into prosperity but so far it has only worsened and throwing 1 Trillion more dollars at the problem, which by the way we don't have, won't solve the problem either. I believe we are seeing a Global Crisis.

The other point that Farrah makes that I find very revealing is the current Global Climate/Warming Change crisis. It seems to be that Farrah believes as I that it is a strong delusion and it's focus is mankind and not God or His Word.

I'm going back to drooling for now though.

Peace,

Dave