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Yes, it appears they were remnants from the Ottoman Empire . . . but then everyone in that area was. The ancestral line of indigenous people in that area is quite muddied (which includes Jewish remnants too).

By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent Worthy News JAKARTA (Worthy News) – Indonesia’s government decided Friday that nearly 10,000 residents will be relocated permanently after massive eruptions of the Ruang volcano added to suffering among civilians, including Christians, who have held special prayer services. Smoke, lava, and volcanic gasses began spewing out of the fiery 725-meter (2,400-foot) high Mount Ruang on Ruang Island in North Sulawesi province in mid-April, posing a growing threat to locals and air traffic. Christians told Worthy News they are concerned about the situation’s impact on churches. Though Indonesia is the world’s largest Muslim nation, there are at least three Pentecostal churches of the Gereja Pantekosta di Indonesia, or ‘Pentecostal Church in Indonesia’ (GOdI) denomination in the area, Worthy News established. Christians told Worthy News they have been holding prayer services following the volcanic eruptions in a nation where believers have also reported persecution by Muslim extremists in several areas. Volcanic explosions occurred again this week in the north-central region of sprawling Indonesia, sparking evacuations and airport closures due to concerns about those living nearby and air traffic in the area. Witnesses said Mount Ruang erupted three times on Tuesday, sending lava and ash clouds kilometers (miles) into the sky. HIGHEST ALERT The eruptions prompted Indonesia’s PVMBG volcanology agency to issue its highest alert, saying a tsunami could be triggered by “volcanic material collapsing into the ocean.” Among those in despair is Antelmus Paulus, 67, after an eruption on Tuesday rendered his home on nearby Tagulandang island uninhabitable and prompted authorities to evacuate more than 12,000 people there. His zinc-roofed house, about 7 kilometers (4.35 miles) from the volcano, was heavily damaged by the ejected material. “There were rocks that were spewed (from the volcano); it lasted at least three hours,” he told Reuters news agency in comments shared with Worthy News. “I have no place to live now,” he added while awaiting evacuation. Indonesia, an archipelago of 270 million people, is prone to earthquakes and volcanic activity due to its location along the “Ring of Fire,” an arc of volcanoes and fault lines encircling the Pacific Basin. Dozens of people have been killed and many injured in volcanic eruptions in recent months, most of them when Indonesia’s Mount Merapi erupted in December. One of the deadliest volcanic activities in recent memory occurred in 2010 when eruptions at Mount Merapi on Java island killed about 353 people. The post Christians Pray As Indonesia Orders Thousands To Relocate After Volcano Erupts appeared first on Worthy Christian News. View the full article

By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent Worthy News TEHRAN (Worthy News) – Iranian Christians are still mourning Ebrahim Firouzi, a former Muslim who embraced faith in Christ despite facing detention for his Christian activities. Christians confirmed Thursday that he unexpectedly passed away on February 20 from a heart attack at age 37. “The Christian man’s body was found in his home by his brother, who went to check on the believer after not hearing from him for a few days,” said advocacy group The Voice Of the Martyrs Canada (VOMC). Following his first arrest in January 2011, Ebrahim was held in custody for several months before being conditionally released. He was detained again in 2013 and sentenced to six years in prison because of his involvement in a house church, Christians said. “Throughout his time in prison, Ebrahim sought ways to make the Scriptures available to those who were imprisoned with him,” VOMC recalled. REMOTE REGION Upon his release in 2019, he was reportedly banished to a remote region of Iran for two additional years. “During his exile, Ebrahim became a respected member of his new community, where he started his own business and volunteered to serve in local schools,” VOMC told Worthy News. While paying tribute to the deceased Iranian believer, Mansour Borji from the Article18 rights group said: “Ebrahim did not lose hope, even during all those years in prison. He had an incredible fighting spirit.” VOMC urged believers to pray for Ebrahim’s family members and friends. “While Ebrahim is assuredly now in heaven rejoicing in the wonderful presence of our Saviour, please prayerfully uphold his family members and friends who are now grieving over the sudden loss of their loved one.” As they mourn “the end of Ebrahim’s young earthly life, may they tangibly experience the peace, love and blessed assurance that comes from the ‘Father of mercies and God of all comfort,’” the group said, referring to Bible verse 2 Corinthians 1:3. His reported suffering highlighted the persecution of Christian converts in Iran, according to Christian human rights activists. FARSI BIBLE “If you’re part of a traditional Christian community in Iran, your faith is likely tolerated. But you aren’t allowed to worship or read the Bible in Farsi, Iran’s language, or have any contact with Christians who have converted from Islam,” said advocacy group Open Doors. “If you’re caught supporting converts, you may be sent to prison.” Conversion from Islam to Christianity is illegal in Iran, with the government viewing conversion as an attempt by the West “to undermine Islam” and the Islamic government of Iran. “This means that anyone who is discovered to be a member of a house church can be charged with a crime against national security, which can lead to long prison sentences. Anyone arrested or detained can be tortured and abused while in jail,” Open Doors explained in a recent assessment. Additionally, “Christian converts who left Islam can lose their inheritance, unmarried Christians can be forced into marriage to a Muslim, and married believers may be forced to divorce or face losing their children.” VOMC said it was crucial to continue to pray for Christians facing persecution in the strict Islamic republic as they “continue serving as lights amid the darkness of this needy world by conveying the hope of the Gospel.” Christians comprise some 0.7 percent of Iran’s mainly Muslim population of 88.3 million, according to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), but church groups say the actual figure is much higher as the Christian faith continues to spread in Iran. The post Iranian Christians ‘Mourning Persecuted Firouzi’ appeared first on Worthy Christian News. View the full article

I suppose one needs to understand the events preceding and simultaneously to grasp the entirety of that question/answer. There is a lot transpiring between the heavens and the earth that leads to the destruction of the earth and to destruction of those who did it? Basically…the “earth” is at times in Revelation symbolic of a people…”those who dwell on the earth”…”the earth helped the woman”…”Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth.” So what is the excepted meaning of the word “earth” in that context is required…in any case the “earth” is a created reality…therefore it is not eternal. Nothing “created is eternal” and most can’t understand this because they have their own ideas about what words mean. None the less when whatever God has created has fulfilled His intention for it…it is no longer required and as such it is done away with…or however you might like to say it. This includes people, the physical earth, and the heavens…anything that is not eternal will cease. Since God knows the end of a matter that He created…before He created it…He also knows how and when to bring it to its end…typically in judgment no less. Suffice it to say that it is the “beast” who destroys the earth…and it will be “Christ…Head and Body” on the earth that destroys the beast. Take it from here? Tatwo...:)

Michael37... What does this actually mean? If one fears...one fears...which is exactly what happens in the place of faith. Tatwo...:)

So.... Rev man.... I know from past conversations that you equate the armies of heaven returning with Christ as the church. Are you now really saying that the armies that follow Jesus out of heaven on horses jump off their horses and fly in the air and answer the call of the angel to assemble for dinner? (I slap myself on the forehead and exclaim "good grief") The Lamb's wedding feast does NOT entail feasting on the flesh of horses or people. We are not cannibals. We are not zombies. We do not have a feast on the battlefield! The Lamb's wedding feast will take place on His Holy Mountain where He will prepare a feast of aged wine and choice meat..... a lavish banquet. Isa 25:6 The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine. There is a huge difference between the Marriage banquet of the Lamb...... And the Great Supper of God.

By Cameron Arcand | The Center Square (Worthy News) – Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs signed the abortion ban repeal into law on Thursday. At a packed signing ceremony in the Executive Tower, Hobbs and legislative Democrats touted the step as a victory, but only emphasized that their efforts are not completed. “And while I’m proud to sign this bill and provide and moment of relief for Arizonans, we still have work to do,” Hobbs said. “Let me be clear: I will do everything in my power to protect our reproductive freedoms. I trust that when it comes to these very personal decisions, that you and your loved ones know what is best.” The Arizona State Senate passed House Bill 2677, sponsored by Rep. Stephanie Stahl-Hamilton, on Wednesday with 14 Democrats and 2 Republicans voting in favor, and it passed the House last week with 29 Democrats and 3 Republicans voting in favor. The Republicans who voted for the repeal were Sens. T.J. Shope and Shawnna Bolick, as well as Reps. Matt Gress, Justin Wilmeth, and Tim Dunn. The Arizona Supreme Court ruled 4-2 last month that a stay could be lifted on a law that was created in 1864 but reaffirmed by state leaders in 1977 to ban all abortions unless a mother’s life is at risk. The current law on the books is a 15-week law signed by former Gov. Doug Ducey in 2022. Many Republicans and pro-life groups have expressed strong disagreement with the repeal. “I acknowledge and commend the courage of those lawmakers who stood resolutely with the unborn and their mothers,” Center for Arizona Policy President Cathi Herrod said in a statement on Wednesday. “This repeal leads to the loss of innocent lives and potentially causes long-term physical and emotional harm to women. I grieve the loss of life and the erosion of societal values in our state that once stood for both mother and child.” However, there is still a window in which the pre-statehood law could go into effect. This is because bills without an emergency clause, such as the repeal, take 90 days after the legislative session concludes to take effect. It’s unclear when that end date will be, as sometimes sessions can end in the late summer, like when it ended on July 31 last year. Attorney General Kris Mayes is asking the court to push back the court’s issuing of the lifted stay by 90 days, and the court will allow that to be considered, 12 News reported. In the bigger picture, the repeal and the legal action on the case itself could be seen as a stopgap measure. This is because a proposed constitutional amendment to allow abortion up to “fetal viability” appears poised to make the ballot in November. There have been some talks among House Republicans about counter efforts to the ballot initiative, but it’s unclear following the vote on the repeal in their chamber if there will be any movement on that. On the Senate side, Sen. Jake Hoffman, R-Queen Creek, said there has not been “substantive conversations.” Reprinted with permission from The Center Square. The post Arizona: Hobbs Signs Abortion Repeal Bill Into Law appeared first on Worthy Christian News. View the full article

By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent Worthy News CAIRO (Worthy News) – Christian villagers in Egypt’s southern Minya province are recovering after they were nearly torched alive by Islamic militants ahead of Orthodox Easter, Christians told Worthy News on Thursday. Islamic militants set fire to several homes and shops owned by Coptic Orthodox Christians in the Minya province village of Al-Fawakher, according to footage seen by Worthy News. There were no causalities reported among the estimated scores of Christians impacted by the April 24 arson attacks. “Although the attackers attempted to prevent the occupants from leaving their burning homes, thankfully, there were no reported fatalities,” said advocacy group The Voice Of the Martyrs Canada (VOMC), which closely followed the case. “It is believed that the attack may have been triggered by plans to build a new church building in the village,” VOMC added. After Christian villagers received a building permit, they began receiving threats from community members opposing the project, Christians said. Police reportedly made several arrests but so far declined to give more details about the suspects. NO ASSISTANCE Christians who somehow managed to escape the inferno said that “no assistance was given” to them by alerted authorities during the attack. They also complained that security forces arrived too late, but there was no immediate comment from police officials. Reverend Riadh Jaballah, vice president of VOMC’s International Ministry, suggested that the attack was intended “to create sedition and division between the community’s Muslims and Christians.” Riadh urged believers to support the now homeless Christians in the attacked village, including with prayers. “We are [all] believers. It doesn’t matter about [our] denominations. We need to stand up together,” he said in comments shared with Worthy News. He added that the violence highlighted broader persecution of devoted Christians in Egypt “especially leading up to the Orthodox observance of Easter” starting May 5. The Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights recorded at least 77 attacks on Coptic Christians between 2011 and 2016 in Minya, hosting a majority of the country’s Christians. Bishop Makarios of Minya survived an attack in 2013 when he and his vehicle came under fire. Egypt’s current government hasn’t publicly condemned the latest April 24 attack against Christians. Instead, it designated Sunday, May 5, and Monday, May 6, as “bank holidays” to celebrate Labour Day, though it falls on May 1. EASTER ‘SINFUL’ The government memorandum sparked outrage within the Coptic Orthodox community for “ignoring Orthodox Easter Sunday,” which falls on May 5, Worthy News learned. Coptic activists claimed the move may be intended to appease Egypt’s Salafi Muslims as they consider recognizing Easter “sinful.” Salafi Muslims view Easter as defying the Islamic doctrine, which denies Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection. Egyptian Christians have long called for their right to have equal rights with the Muslim majority and be able to build new worship premises freely. Most of Egypt’s Christian minority belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church. Some 10 to 15 percent of Egypt’s nearly 109 million people are Christians, with most of them identifying themselves as Coptic Orthodox, one of the world’s oldest Christian communities, experts say. The post Egypt Christian Homes, Businesses Torched Ahead Of Orthodox Easter appeared first on Worthy Christian News. View the full article

Revelation 12 gives us a pretty good overview of the tribulation conflict. Satan and his followers are kicked out of heaven and thrown to the earth: "Woe to the earth and sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.... 12:12 "And when the dragon saw that he was thrown to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child.... (Israel) 12:13 "The dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Christ".... (both Jews, who keep the commandments, and Christians, who hold to the testimony of Christ).... 12:17 So we see that Satan's great wrath will be geared towards the nation of Israel first and then the Church, Christians. God lets Satan have his way against Jews and Christians. Satan is not concerned with other earth dwellers and other religions. He is after the cream of the crop, first and foremost. If he can annihilate the Jews and the Christians, then the earth will be his. But God always has a remnant. Why does God allow this? To weed out true believers from fake believers. That's why we see martyrs at the 5th seal, and many more to come. I agree that God's wrath is the trumpet and bowl judgments. God will not share His glory with another, especially Satan. That's why Isaiah writes "The Lord alone will be exalted in that day"... Isa 2:11 ....... The trumpet and bowl judgments are the "Day of the Lord" Satan has his day....the tribulation............... God has His day....The Day of the Lord" The seals are Satan's wrath. You have the beginning of "birth pangs" Then...... "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name".... Matt 24:9 AFTER tribulation is the Day of the Lord, the day of His Wrath....(not a literal 24 hr day) Huge difference between tribulation 'thlipsis' and wrath 'orge'.

Taken from the 1966 Jerusalem Bible. The book of Ecclesiasticus. I know it is a Catholic bible, but it was the first bible I read from cover to cover when I was going through some severe oppression. the chapter below, use to comfort me and I meditated on it. The fear of God in time of ordeal" My son, if you aspire to serve the Lord, prepare yourself for an ordeal. Be sincere of heart, be steadfast, and do not be alarmed when disaster comes. Cling to him and do not leave him, so that you may be honoured at the end of your days. Whatever happens to you, accept it, and in the uncertainties of your humble state, be patient, since gold is tested in the fire, and chosen men in the furnace of humiliation. Trust him and he will uphold you, follow a straight path and hope in him. You who fear the Lord, wait for his mercy; do not turn aside in case you fall. You who fear the Lord,'trust him, and you will not be baulked of your reward. You who fear the Lord hope for good things, for everlasting happiness and mercy. Look at the generations of old and see: who ever trusted in the Lord and was put to shame? Or who ever feared him steadfastly and was left forsaken? Or who ever called out to him, and was ignored? For the Lord is compassionate and merciful, he forgives sins, and saves in days of distress. Woe to faint hearts and listless hands,b and to the sinner who treads two paths. Woe to the listless heart that has no faith,e for such will have no protection. Woe to you who have lost the will to endure; what will you do at the Lord's visitation? Those who fear the Lord do not disdain his words, and those who love him keep his ways. Those who fear the Lord do their best to please him, and those who love him find satisfaction in his Law.d Those who fear the Lord keep their hearts prepared and humble themselves in his presence. Let us fall into the hands of the Lord, not into the hands of men 23 for as his majesty is, so too is his mercy.

@NConly What Syria and Palestine meant about a century to a century and a half ago does not necessarily correspond with what the terms denote now.

No, you should have an examination. Prove a verb is a "state of being". You mean along with all your snarkiness and snottiness? And all those ad hominems? Your theories are getting mighty tired. Oh, that's a good one. Theory, that is. I guess you never noticed that clouds have width, length, AND depth. Most peope can easily count to 3. Clouds have 3 dimensions, which proves that clouds have form. 1 dimension more than shapes. I've proved all my claims with evidence, which you still don't have. From all you've posted, it is clear that you believe in unreality.

The birds in my honest opinion are symbolic also, they represent the Church. We are Feasting on those who had their way with wickedness on earth. In Matt. 24:28 Jesus says the Eagles are always where the Carcass is at. Remember, he says this right after Jesus says do not look for me in the Desert or in a Secret Store[room] then he says that verse. Matt. 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Then he tells them where to look for him at, in the Eastern skies, this way no Jew who repented and fled into the Petra/Bozrah mountains can be deceived. Then comes the below notation) 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. (I think this refers to WHERE Jesus will be, but we know the Church is with him, he says Eagles as in plural, so I think, just like in Rev. 19, the birds feasting is referring unto the Church or the Bride of Christ and at our wedding feast/super, we feast on the WICKED SYMBOLICALLY speaking)

I thought you were a Daniel guy. Find the 30 minutes in Daniel and you might be finding it in Revelation too. That's what I'm asking too. I'm just thinking about it now, trying to figure it out while typing. There's another forum where a guy's doing a thread about this. He thinks the 30 minutes are 3.5 years, or 1290 days. He's using Enoch and "forthwith I saw how the shepherds pastured for twelve hours, and behold three of those sheep turned back and came and entered and began to build up all that had fallen down of that house; but the wild boars tried to hinder them, but they were not able.” - 1 Enoch 5:108 He thinks: "The twelve hours in Enoch’s parable equates to the seventy years of exile between Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus the Great. If twelve hours equals seventy years, then silence in heaven for about half an hour equates to about three years." It's interesting but I doubt it's just that. He got close to the timing I think it is. I wish he would come and post over here, because I can't post over there. I think I know what you might be thinking in the other post: Might be a reference to the length of time it took for the High Priest to take the fire from the bronze altar that is in the outer court of the Temple and then to enter the Holy Place and to use the altar fire to burn incense on the golden altar in front of the Holy of Holies where the Ark of the Covenant had been kept and then to return to where the people were assembled to give them the priestly blessing. The whole procedure took about 30 minutes. "Slowly the incensing priest and his assistants ascended the steps to the Holy Place, preceded by the two priests who had formerly dressed the altar and the candlestick, and who now removed the vessels they had left behind, and, worshipping, withdrew. Next, one of the assistants reverently spread the coals on the golden altar; the other arranged the incense; and then the chief officiating priest was left alone within the Holy Place, to await the signal of the president before burning the incense. It was probably while thus expectant that the angel Gabriel appeared to Zacharias (Luke 1:8-11). As the president gave the word of command, which marked that 'the time of incense had come,' 'the whole multitude of people without' withdrew from the inner court, and fell down before the Lord, spreading their hands in silent prayer. It is this most solemn period, when throughout the vast Temple buildings deep silence rested on the worshipping multitude, while within the sanctuary itself the priest laid the incense on the golden altar, and the cloud of 'odours' (5:8) rose up before the Lord, which serves as the image of heavenly things in this description." - Alfred Edersheim, The Temple: Its Ministry and Services as they were at the time of Jesus, page 167. It's interesting, but I don't think that's all it is. But if this is it, I could make a case for the 30 minutes to be happening now. The silence in Revelation's heaven always reminded me of Zechariah 2:13, and Zephaniah 1:7. Interesting they both start with the last letter of our English alphabet. "Be silent before the Lord GOD! For the day of the LORD is near; the LORD has prepared a sacrifice and consecrated his guests. "Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD, for he has roused himself from his holy dwelling. But it's addressing "all flesh". In Revelation, the silence is coming from heaven. The Prophetic Voice is silenced, like a pause or freeze frame suspended animation. Like the Two Witnesses laying dead silent in the streets of the Great City for 3.5 days, the silence is broken then by a loud voice coming from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. Go to the main prophecy subject page here and type hora in the search area and hit enter. There's a bunch of smart guys here. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/search/?q=hora&quick=1&type=forums_topic&nodes=11 "The word "hour" comes from the Greek word "hora." The "Horae" were the three mythological goddesses of the seasons— spring, summer and winter. This was before autumn was recognized as a season. Their names were Eunomia, Dike and Eirene, mean- ing Good Order, Justice and Peace, guardians of the orderly suc- cession of the processes of nature. "Hora" therefore meant "season" in a very general sense, almost synonymous with "a time." It was simply a measurable lapse of time with a beginning and an end, but with no uniform length of duration. That ancient Greek meaning of the word persisted into New Testament times even after "hora" came to be used also to mean a division of the day. Consequently, when the translators came across the word "hora," they found it very difficult to deter- mine what English word to use. Several times they translated "hora" as "day" ; several other times they rendered it "season," and they were correct in so doing. But in some verses where "hora" should have been translated "moment" or "instant," they rendered it "hour." Even in the many places in the New Testament where the word "hora" is used to indicate a period of time somewhat corresponding to our modern hour, it should be understood by the Bible reader that the New Testament hour varied greatly in length." - Time in Bible Times : Potter, C. F. https://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1941JRASC..35..163P So hour is simply a measurable lapse of time with a beginning point, and an ending point. It could even point to a "seven" from Daniel. A heptad, or about the space of half a heptad. About the space of half of a designated duration of time. This is our finest hour.

When I declare during times of spiritual night and God-forsakenness,’ Nothing can separate me from You. I am knit together with You.’

When I declare during great inner conflict,’ I will cling to You and follow You to the end. I trust in Your love.’

When following a difficult leading, I say, ‘ I know that You will make the bitter sweet.’

When faced with great difficulties,I say,’ my troubles cannot be greater than You,my Helper.’

Good day Vine Abider, While many believe one way or another on how Israel came to be in regards to the Palestinian Nakba issue; the main focus I laid out in the OP was in regards to what is happening today and how it relates with what the Word says, as in Isaiah 28:18-20, and Micah 2:1-4. As the covenant death and hell makes with Israel in Isaiah 28:18-20, I believe not only correlates with the covenant made with many the Abomination of Desolation (the Antichrist) will form in Daniel 9:27, but also with the 1/4 of the earth, whom the fourth horseman of the Apocalypse is allied with in Revelation 6:8; I then realize that Satan will be here to deceive many into not believing the truth, so that what is written in the Word will remain dark to many. As such, and to smash Satan's false illumination to many; to corroborate His Word in Isaiah 28:18-20, the Lord provides us with the precursor events leading to the Lord changing Israel's favored status with Himself in Micah 5:1-4, by which the Lord then initiates retaliation against Israel for their unjust actions against those who have an aversion to war. This is still forthcoming, as the one who annihilates/desolates the 1/4 of the earth, comprised of Middle Eastern nations is the Abomination of Desolation. Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

When sensing my bondage to sin, I still say,’You are my Redeemer. I believe in Your victory.’

When all seems dead within me and affirm, ‘ You are my Life.’

When I say in suffering,’ I want to bear this suffering out of love and gratitude to You.’

When plagued by fear, ‘ I declare, ‘I trust You. You have conquered my fear.’

Well seems to me what God the Father sees is the perfected person made so by God His son's sacrifice for that very purpose, all by God's doing alone and not by any precedence setting or any meritorious work or works of any man. For it is my understanding at least that it is all of God and of God alone that any are saved out from under the consequence of His just wrath. Hi Neighbor, I thought your OP was about what a sermon was. And then you brought in what is worship.... Now you have brought up the salvation subject, by grace not works, when I suggest to others that God sees "inside" our heart, a heart which happens to be deceitfully wicked according to my bible. “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.” Unfortunately, you missed my effort to explain my understanding of worshiping with a clean heart in whatsoever we do, not just at a church service. God knows what's in my heart, and yours and others, the motives and reasons others do not see, while raising their hands to God, some a white washed sepulcher. Raising hands, singing and fellowship within the assembly together, or washing feet unseen, is an outward appearance. God sees the inside. My point. Thanks Neighbor...

Have you ever tried to contemplate what that horse symbology represents in our finite minds? Revelation is exciting to envision and try to picture in our minds; much of it is figurative and symbolic. White can symbolize several things, depending on the context. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. (Revelation 6:2) The above is generally considered the Antichrist; he is presented in military fashion and terms, and white symbolizes peace or surrender in militaries. The rider and horse are two separate entities, as are death and hell that follow. The symbolic horse is the vehicle and means of transportation and movement. Does this horse represent mechanized military technology or some spiritual equivalent? And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (Revelation 19:11) White does not represent the universal military combat symbology of a parley, peace, pause, or surrender in this verse. A gate, or portal to the heavenly dimension, is opened; even the mode of transportation is clean and pure, as with white robes, spotless. Some use Rev. 19:11 to say, “See, there are animals in Heaven.” High Ho, Silver away… 😊 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2 Kings 2:11) [emphasis added] The above, Ezekiel 1:5-28, and elsewhere are heavenly descriptions of spiritual modes of transportation. If these were witnessed in modern times, would it be said, oh look, a flying horse? Or would they be referred to in contemporary lingo as UFOs or UAPs? Are people today, by the tens of millions, getting glimpses of extra-dimensional spiritual technology for a reason and purpose, namely deception? How is spiritual warfare conducted in the spiritual realm? Seraphim and Cherubim have four and six wings and fly, as the Bible states. These are superior in rank, duties, and power to regular messenger angles. Nowhere is it said messenger angels have wings or fly on their own. In every Biblical instance, they appear as men and sometimes with their horses and chariots. The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. (Psalm 68:17) And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. (2 Kings 6:17) The angel immediately sent to Daniel was delayed for 21 days. How do you delay something spiritual traveling at the speed of thought or light? Angels have spiritual bodies; there must possibly be a form of physicality and matter manipulation in the angelic spiritual realm. I find it telling and curious, with the new official government acknowledgment, investigations, and reports, that UFOs are real and pose a danger to national security and aviation. Of all the things they could be, they are silent about anything dimensional or spiritual. Are these investigations by people with advanced degrees and initials after their names so stupid and blinded as to dismiss every possibility and the most logical? I think not. Or is there a hidden agenda, and everything must fit the lie of evolutionary theory to set the stage? As I have mentioned elsewhere, panspermia is becoming a popular buzzword in scientific genetics and DNA. To quote the late Dr. Michael Heiser, “If it sounds strange, it is probably important.” If they still had pay phone booths, I would phone home. LOL