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Shiloh already exposed that you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to Hebrew, just like I exposed in the other thread you have no clue about Greek. Funny thing about other languages, to understand them properly, you need to have some clue about sentence structure and such things, because they do not follow the pattern of English. Looking up words in a book is of no benefit if you are clueless about the order of them. Your point was the word was mighty...... ummmm yeah, that's because the word mighty is in there. Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. While you're busy looking for Jehovah, you don't even understand what you are looking for because you don't know the language. Nor do you address the rest of what is said, Wonderful Counselor (Holy Spirit), Everlasting Father (God the Father). And who was the child that was born???? All these names are assigned to Him. Then you try to pass it off as a successful rebuttal, please!!! 5 hours ago, DJ7 said: Actually the word used can relate to any deity, god, idol, angel. Doesn't specifically mean God. If it did then your saying every idol angel etc is God. But you would already know this because you read Hebrew, or are you just twisting scripture to fit your belief?? This is what you consider a successful rebuttal, that a prophecy about Jesus, the promised Messiah to the Jews, can relate to any deity, god, idol, or angel. This has to be one of the worst examples of intellectual dishonesty ever presented as truth from the tearful martyr. This is the kind of response you get when you catch a 5 year old with their hand in the cookie jar and they try to spin their way out of it. EPIC FAIL! Same thing you said to Shiloh and anyone else that disproves what you say, seems to be a theme of yours. Anyone who disagrees is a know it all, but not poor little ol martyr you, no, not you. Is there hope? Maybe? Let's see. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1 [ The Word Became Flesh ] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Yes, your agenda. The same agenda you have been pushing for 155 posts now, to speak against our Savior. You spend a week to come back with a reply to Isaiah 9, you search the scriptures by your own admission to support your agenda against Jesus. You fail miserably, and if you don't get on the right side of things you will pay for eternity. Still praying for you.

For one to depart from the faith, they would first have to be joined with it. Paul speaks about deceiving spirits and teachings of demons leading them away, and I don't think it is a mystery as to what the enemy wishes to lead people away from, the truth. If their faith is in a lie, satan would just leave them where they are, right? I think ultimately God is the restrainer, though the reference could be to any number of chosen instruments. The archangels Michael or Gabriel would be possible candidates, as Daniel depicts Gabriel standing up for Israel as well as Michael, and Michael is also depicted as an instrument of dealing with satan in Revelation. At the end of the day, everything that ever has happened, or will happen, is according to God's time and purpose. Greek is no different than any other language, different words can be used to describe the same thing. For example, I could say in English, Joe tripped, or I could say, Joe stumbled. Means the same thing in either case. In the Olivet discourse from Matthew, Jesus speaks of a falling away, the parable of the sower from Matthew, Mark, and Luke speak of it as well. It is found in Hebrews and also in Paul's writings. If we were talking about one isolated incident then a case could be made for misunderstanding, but evidence is contrary to that.

I Timothy 4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. Sorry, doesn't add up with numerous examples regarding what will happen.

I John 4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error. Your agenda is not fooling anyone. Not a single Christian on this forum accepts a word you have to say, mission failure.

Yes, great post. Speaks to the recent onslaught of false teachers who attempt to tear away at the fabric of the Godhead. Not simply confused, but a clear and obvious agenda by the enemy to ultimately strike at the very heart of who Jesus is. We all need to be aware of these wolves in sheep's clothing. God bless

11 Because the sentence against an evil deed is not executed speedily, the heart of the children of man is fully set to do evil.

So sorry to hear about what you are going through, such an awful situation. Of course you have my prayers, and know that through your family in Christ you have many more friends than you think. I hope you find wonderful fellowship here, and consider that maybe God has other plans for you. Maybe this man was just a means to an end, and something much better awaits you on the other side of your journey. Happy birthday as well! God bless

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.” Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through Him and for Him. Matthew 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’” Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Interesting you would bring that up, today was full of oddities and this passage had come to mind for me. I Timothy 4:6 If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed. 7 Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. Rather train yourself for godliness; 8 for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come.

Interested to know if this was effective or not?

Ah, I'm a bit premature then, since it is after midnight for me already lol.

Off topic, but since I couldn't post on your profile status..... Happy birthday!

9 All this I observed while applying my heart to all that is done under the sun, when man had power over man to his hurt.

The Q&A for seekers is only for those in ministry to respond. I am unaware of a limit as far as responding on this one, but since you are not the first to encounter this problem recently, I am beginning to think there may be a post count involved.

7 For he does not know what is to be, for who can tell him how it will be?

Just to expand on what hmbld had to say, was thinking this song may speak to you.

For starters, are you a Christian? If you are, I am not sure what you expect to hear except that what you are doing is absolutely wrong. First thing you need to do is cut off all contact with this other woman. What you are engaged in is adultery, plain and simple. Did your wedding vows not include the for better or for worse part? Was there a "unless you get ill and skinnier than I would like" clause in there? The vows you took were not just between you and your wife, God is included. Ecclesiastes 4:9 Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their toil. 10 For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. But woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up! 11 Again, if two lie together, they keep warm, but how can one keep warm alone? 12 And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him—a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

5 Whoever keeps a command will know no evil thing, and the wise heart will know the proper time and the just way.

Still waiting a response to this question? Where is the anti-christ sitting? What does this represent if not a physical temple?

I have always been concerned about the meaning of the above scriptures. My understanding of it is that if a person was once saved, but then later loses their faith or falls away from God, they will be unable (not allowed) to repent and come back to God. If a person keeps falling down often, and then prays again for salvation several times over a time period, is this what is meant by "crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace?" I recently re-dedicated my life to the Lord (again) after 15 years away. It's verses like the ones above that cause me distress; thinking that God won't accept me back. But then, I've never felt truly "enlightened", or some of the other descriptions used. Perhaps I was never truly saved to begin with? But that doesn't make sense since I've had spiritual experiences in the past, that only could've come from the Holy Spirit. I'm confused by these few verses. I would be grateful to anyone who could explain them in an easy-to-understand way. Matthew 13:18 “Hear then the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.” The important thing to note from the underlined passage, is that we are not talking about everyday troubles. It is when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, and one falls away. Mark 8:38 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels. Also from Luke. Luke 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when He comes in His glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. Also remember Paul's exhortation. II Timothy 1:6 For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands, 7 for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control. 8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, 9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, 10 and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 for which I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher,12 which is why I suffer as I do. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that he is able to guard until that day what has been entrusted to me. 13 Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. 14 By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you. There is an overall theme throughout the New Testament, in regards to what the definition of the apostasy is. It should not be confused with backsliding or stumbling, it is a conscious, deliberate choice to betray your Redeemer. Do not love your lives so as to shrink from death, or do not fear the one who can kill your body, but not your soul. There is a recurring lesson in regards to what the apostasy is. Here in the west, most of us will live and die without ever facing severe persecution. We may be mocked, laughed at, excluded, or hear whispers about being a goody goody or a prude, and that is about as bad as it will get. Consider what Jesus, the apostles, disciples, and others from that time until the present who stand firm in the face of certain death. The same is expected of each of us, whether we face death or not, so how could we stand before Him one day if we turn away because we didn't want to be laughed at or teased. In the last days, people will be making the choice of whether to remain true to Jesus, or to sell out for food on the table, and keeping their heads. You are still here, stepping out in faith, so now you just need to consider what your faith is founded on. Jesus said He will never leave you, nor forsake you. He says that your sins are removed, as far as the east is from the west. Scripture describes love in I Corinthians 13, and one of the characteristics of this love, is that it keeps no record of wrongdoings. This love spoken of, is not man's love, it is God's love, perfect love, agape love. Have faith in that sister, and hope in the eternal future and all of His promises to you. I Corinthians 13:13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

3 Be not hasty to go from his presence. Do not take your stand in an evil cause, for he does whatever he pleases.

Doesn't happen anymore, not from folks on the forum anyway. I still spend most of my time on the site ministering to people one on one, but only those who come in the chat room and see my name on the mod list there. Other than that, no one knows who the Watchmen are, including us. And as you said, many probably don't know we exist.

Don't leave MG. I Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, 14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.