Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints

[Botz]

I pasted these direct from http://contenderministries.org/mormonism/missionaries.php

just to give you a futher idea of whats in the lions den.

What the Mormon Missionaries Won't Tell You

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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about:

They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God.

"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345)

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan:

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15)

They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist.

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210)

The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346)

They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do.

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50)

"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1)

They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods.

"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269)

They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine

Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology.

They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them.

They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary.

"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125)

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself.

"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327)

"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213)

They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times.

For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines."

They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings.

For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Mormon church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well.

They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven.

Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church.

They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God.

For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land.

[godrulz]

You have just made the biggest mistake of your life, but it is not too late. Joseph Smith was a false prophet. The Mormons are a cult, not a Christian church. They use a subjective apologetic (pray about BOM to see if true, etc.). This is not the standard for judging truth. Satan can counterfeit feelings to deceive. The objective standard is the Word of God, the Bible, not spurious LDS writings. Like other groups, they have positive things, but this does not negate their false teachings. They have a counterfeit Christ (2 Cor. 11:4) and a false gospel (Gal. 1:6-10; Jude 3). The so-called elders will give you answers, but it is the blind leading the blind. I have dealt with them for decades and have known the truth for 40 years. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are the two largest, most influential, pseudo-Christian groups. Avoid them like the plague lest you end up eternally lost.

http://www.utlm.org/

[redwing]

Ok well Elder Evans and Elder Granger are coming to my house again tonight i will ask them then.

I've already got some good questions to ask them. And i pray that the Almighty Father will lead me to the truth, and reveal to me whether he did indeed make Joseph Smith his prophet.

I'll ask the Elders when they arrive about the polygamy.

Matthew 7:14-15 (King James Version)

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[pokemaughan]

One thing I've realized is that if a false Gospel wasn't believable or have some sort of plausible idea behind it, no one would believe it.

This is true for Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and so on.

So trust me, in your weaker state, it is MUCH easier to be swayed on a whim of how things 'feel' or how things 'look'. But let me tell you friend, the truth is that all sins came from that same perception. It looks good, it feels good, then it's gotta be true, right? One bite of that pretty, delicious forbidden fruit and death entered the world.

Trust me friend, the only source of truth that is reliable enough to be called the Word of God is in fact just that- THE genuine Word of God. The Bible. No more, no less.

[MightyIsTheLord]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

Elder Evans said that they do believe that Jesus is God (and the trinity, that the Father and the Son have separate bodies/physical entities and the holy spirit is just a spirit, if he had a physical presence he wouldn't be able to come into our hearts). That Jesus was born of a virgin birth. And these websites what describe alot of things are filled with lies.

If you guys could stop posting the links to these websites that'd be great because they are full of lies/attacks on the latter day saints church.

Our conversation tonight (and the lies posted on these websites by people who really don't like the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints) has furthered my belief that the latter day saints church is indeed the restored church of Jesus Christ, the son of God. I hope you guys won't outcast me for my new beliefs.

Edited May 11, 2009 by MightyIsTheLord

[Believer1997]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

Elder Evans said that they do believe that Jesus is God (and the trinity, that the Father and the Son have separate bodies/physical entities and the holy spirit is just a spirit, if he had a physical presence he wouldn't be able to come into our hearts). That Jesus was born of a virgin birth. And these websites what describe alot of things are filled with lies.

If you guys could stop posting the links to these websites that'd be great because they are full of lies/attacks on the latter day saints church.

Our conversation tonight (and the lies posted on these websites by people who really don't like the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints) has furthered my belief that the latter day saints church is indeed the restored church of Jesus Christ, the son of God. I hope you guys won't outcast me for my new beliefs.

Mighty - please go and get the actual book from which the Mormons teach and read those pages for yourself - do NOT depend on the Elders to tell you what they 'want you to know'. I love you Brother and you are in Spiritual Danger, my friend. Please - just look at the actual books - these are not lies. My mother grew up in the Mormon church and it IS a cult. God Bless You.

[pokemaughan]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

Elder Evans said that they do believe that Jesus is God (and the trinity, that the Father and the Son have separate bodies/physical entities and the holy spirit is just a spirit, if he had a physical presence he wouldn't be able to come into our hearts). That Jesus was born of a virgin birth. And these websites what describe alot of things are filled with lies.

If you guys could stop posting the links to these websites that'd be great because they are full of lies/attacks on the latter day saints church.

Our conversation tonight (and the lies posted on these websites by people who really don't like the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints) has furthered my belief that the latter day saints church is indeed the restored church of Jesus Christ, the son of God. I hope you guys won't outcast me for my new beliefs.

We're actually commanded to outcast heretics. If they can't be convinced by one, try two. Not two, try three. If not three, the entire congregation. If still not then- there's not much we can do.

We tried our best to tell you the truth. It is on your own shoulders to whether or not you harden your heart or not, brother.

[MightyIsTheLord]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

Elder Evans said that they do believe that Jesus is God (and the trinity, that the Father and the Son have separate bodies/physical entities and the holy spirit is just a spirit, if he had a physical presence he wouldn't be able to come into our hearts). That Jesus was born of a virgin birth. And these websites what describe alot of things are filled with lies.

If you guys could stop posting the links to these websites that'd be great because they are full of lies/attacks on the latter day saints church.

Our conversation tonight (and the lies posted on these websites by people who really don't like the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints) has furthered my belief that the latter day saints church is indeed the restored church of Jesus Christ, the son of God. I hope you guys won't outcast me for my new beliefs.

We're actually commanded to outcast heretics. If they can't be convinced by one, try two. Not two, try three. If not three, the entire congregation. If still not then- there's not much we can do.

We tried our best to tell you the truth. It is on your own shoulders to whether or not you harden your heart or not, brother.

I'm sorry to hear that, i love you all and have enjoyed meeting all the people i've had the pleasure to talking with on here. I'll leave in a day, i just see to a PM conversation im having with an administrator through to the end.

[OneLight]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

Elder Evans said that they do believe that Jesus is God (and the trinity, that the Father and the Son have separate bodies/physical entities and the holy spirit is just a spirit, if he had a physical presence he wouldn't be able to come into our hearts). That Jesus was born of a virgin birth. And these websites what describe alot of things are filled with lies.

If you guys could stop posting the links to these websites that'd be great because they are full of lies/attacks on the latter day saints church.

Our conversation tonight (and the lies posted on these websites by people who really don't like the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints) has furthered my belief that the latter day saints church is indeed the restored church of Jesus Christ, the son of God. I hope you guys won't outcast me for my new beliefs.

You have fallen for a lie. Do the Lord the greatest justice you can do and research all of the teaching of the Mormons and stop taking what they say as the truth. We are told to search the scriptures to see if what we have been told is the truth. Do the work, your salvation and eternity is at stake.

Many here have done what they could to point you to the truth. Did you really think they would say, "Oh yeah, we like those sites because they expose the lies we teach!"? It is time you heed the warning of many above the lies of a few.

As for not posting information, forget it. We will do all we can to bring you into the light of their lies.

As for you being outcast, that is up to you. We will not honor false teaching, false prophets or any lie that they say. We also will not accept a person as a brother when they truly are not. IF you choose to accept the teaching of a cult over scripture, you yourself have sealed your fate. Do yourself a huge favor and read how many times we are warned about another gospel and false teachers and false prophets.

[Matthitjah]

Mighty,

Let me tell you about a Religious man and how he was Saved.

I was that man and I knew very little about what I worshipped.

I was Saved from this Religious lie by folks who pointed me towards Christ.

When we closely examine Christ we will see the lies evidenced, because Scripture states it this way:

Joh