t.v. seduction, harry potter, etc....

[kross]

What? I don't see the problem with Harry Potter. It's a book/movie series, it's fantasy, fiction. It's not real. As long as we remember that, it should be fine, shouldn't it?

As for the dirty comedy, all I can say is that, I guess, some of it is extremely raunchy, but some people enjoy that. I don't, so I don't watch it. People have the right to express themselves, and even if it's in an obnoxious behaviour, just ignore it and turn the other cheek.

Where does Harry get his power from? God?? You seem to be missing the fact that witchcraft is being accepted as OK.

But it's FANTASY... Should we not like movies where dogs can talk, too? God didn't make dogs talk! Insanity, we shouldn't let our kids watch this!

I'm very sorry if I'm coming off as a little bit rude, I'm trying not to, but I just think Harry Potter is harmless.

Yes, and that is the problem. This "Fantasy", as you call it, teaches that there is such a thing as good witchcraft. IT places a seed in the mind of those who do not know Christ, and as seed do, they sprout and grow into it's fullness. I am sorry you do not see this.

BTW, God does use animals to talk at times ...

Parents should explain to their children then, about how it's wrong and should only be entertainment, shouldn't they? If they're Christian parents they would. And if they aren't Christian parents, then really, shouldn't it not really matter?

I'm 14, I've grown up with Harry Potter. I love it. Agnostic mother, Agnostic/sorta Jewish father. Christian girl.

Maybe that's why I don't think Harry Potter has much of an affect. It didn't on me.

By all means, it should matter no matter if the parents are saved or not. God calls on all to come to Him. If Satan can turn them away at a young age, then he has placed a foothold in their lives while they are still very influential. You see, my friend, Gods own words tell us to not to get involved with anything like that, no matter if it appears harmless or not. His is much wiser and can see down the road, where we can not and are not so wise as we think we are.

If GOD has chosen them for salvation, then the experiences they have before that moment will be the ones that shape them into the minister GOD wants them to be. Thus is the working of a soveriegn GOD.

[OneLight]

If GOD has chosen them for salvation, then the experiences they have before that moment will be the ones that shape them into the minister GOD wants them to be. Thus is the working of a soveriegn GOD.

Is sin a sin, Kross? Are we to just turn our back on every sinner and say .. "It must be OK because God may be choosing them for salvation."? Where is this in scripture? You are teaching that it is OK for a person to sin because God may be choose her in the future, so go ahead and so what you wish.

[Massorite]

What? I don't see the problem with Harry Potter. It's a book/movie series, it's fantasy, fiction. It's not real. As long as we remember that, it should be fine, shouldn't it?

As for the dirty comedy, all I can say is that, I guess, some of it is extremely raunchy, but some people enjoy that. I don't, so I don't watch it. People have the right to express themselves, and even if it's in an obnoxious behavior, just ignore it and turn the other cheek.

Where does Harry get his power from? God?? You seem to be missing the fact that witchcraft is being accepted as OK.

But it's FANTASY... Should we not like movies where dogs can talk, too? God didn't make dogs talk! Insanity, we shouldn't let our kids watch this!

I'm very sorry if I'm coming off as a little bit rude, I'm trying not to, but I just think Harry Potter is harmless.

While God has never made a dog talk he has made a donkey talk and made a ruler graze on his hands and knees for I think it was 7 years.

All paganism whether it be witchcraft, Hinduism, Buddhism, satanism or anything else is made up of nothing but pure fantasy because there is no such a thing as any other god except for the only living God. Any other god ever spoken of came from the vain imaginations/fantasies of men and are pure garbage and that includes Harry Potter and all of his powers. Garbage in Garbage out. If you want your children to ingest garbage into their minds then let them watch,read and even memorize all that they can about Harry Potter and their head will be full of garbage and that will be what comes out of their mouths one day and probably sooner then later. To defend Harry Potter as nothing more then mere fantasy is defending that which God HATES. If one is defending Harry Potter that person is helping satan in his efforts to pull people away from God and Yes fantasy is one of satans most effective tools.

As a Christine if a person has defended Harry Potter as nothing more then fantasy that Christian needs to ask God for forgiveness because it is a slap in the face of the word of God and God Him self for that matter.

I am willing to bet that you Bethany are defending Harry Potter as nothing more then fantasy because you have already let your children and most likely your self fill their heads with the garbage of Harry Potter. What is the difference between Harry Potter and Wicca? It is a nature based religion and how can a religion that is based on nature be harmful to any body? Right? Why don't you let you children or yourself (if you have any children) read the book of Wicca? On those merits alone it is a harmless religion and a fantasy as well. It is man making that which God created for man into a thing of worship that can't even talk back. What Wicca does do is lead those who get involve with it into deeper and darker witchcraft. It plants the seeds of curiosity into the minds of those who participate and they just want to know. They don't intend to go to far but guess what? The first time they opened that book or even entertained the idea of Wicca it was already to late. They can be rescued but only by Christ but first they need to be told or convinced that they have been deceived and your statment "But it's FANTASY" tells me that you have already been deceived Bethany.

Really you shouldn't be telling us that Harry Potter is harmless. You should be telling God that Harry Potter is harmless.

[Massorite]

What? I don't see the problem with Harry Potter. It's a book/movie series, it's fantasy, fiction. It's not real. As long as we remember that, it should be fine, shouldn't it?

As for the dirty comedy, all I can say is that, I guess, some of it is extremely raunchy, but some people enjoy that. I don't, so I don't watch it. People have the right to express themselves, and even if it's in an obnoxious behaviour, just ignore it and turn the other cheek.

Where does Harry get his power from? God?? You seem to be missing the fact that witchcraft is being accepted as OK.

But it's FANTASY... Should we not like movies where dogs can talk, too? God didn't make dogs talk! Insanity, we shouldn't let our kids watch this!

I'm very sorry if I'm coming off as a little bit rude, I'm trying not to, but I just think Harry Potter is harmless.

Yes, and that is the problem. This "Fantasy", as you call it, teaches that there is such a thing as good witchcraft. IT places a seed in the mind of those who do not know Christ, and as seed do, they sprout and grow into it's fullness. I am sorry you do not see this.

BTW, God does use animals to talk at times ...

Parents should explain to their children then, about how it's wrong and should only be entertainment, shouldn't they? If they're Christian parents they would. And if they aren't Christian parents, then really, shouldn't it not really matter?

I'm 14, I've grown up with Harry Potter. I love it. Agnostic mother, Agnostic/sorta Jewish father. Christian girl.

Maybe that's why I don't think Harry Potter has much of an affect. It didn't on me.

You really shouldn't say that Harry Potter didn't affect you because right out in front of God and everybody else you are defending what God hates. I wish I had known that you were only 14 before I replied to this post before now a couple of minutes ago because I wouldn't have been so hard. Infact I brobably wouldn't have replied at all. But I am not going to delete it and I guess you needed to hear/see it anyways even if it doesn't help you it might help someone else. Since you are growing (and not grown because you are still growing up) up with Harry Potter and defending him it will be some time before you see the light. But one day you will see.

God Bless

[BethanyLove]

What? I don't see the problem with Harry Potter. It's a book/movie series, it's fantasy, fiction. It's not real. As long as we remember that, it should be fine, shouldn't it?

As for the dirty comedy, all I can say is that, I guess, some of it is extremely raunchy, but some people enjoy that. I don't, so I don't watch it. People have the right to express themselves, and even if it's in an obnoxious behavior, just ignore it and turn the other cheek.

Where does Harry get his power from? God?? You seem to be missing the fact that witchcraft is being accepted as OK.

But it's FANTASY... Should we not like movies where dogs can talk, too? God didn't make dogs talk! Insanity, we shouldn't let our kids watch this!

I'm very sorry if I'm coming off as a little bit rude, I'm trying not to, but I just think Harry Potter is harmless.

While God has never made a dog talk he has made a donkey talk and made a ruler graze on his hands and knees for I think it was 7 years.

All paganism whether it be witchcraft, Hinduism, Buddhism, satanism or anything else is made up of nothing but pure fantasy because there is no such a thing as any other god except for the only living God. Any other god ever spoken of came from the vain imaginations/fantasies of men and are pure garbage and that includes Harry Potter and all of his powers. Garbage in Garbage out. If you want your children to ingest garbage into their minds then let them watch,read and even memorize all that they can about Harry Potter and their head will be full of garbage and that will be what comes out of their mouths one day and probably sooner then later. To defend Harry Potter as nothing more then mere fantasy is defending that which God HATES. If one is defending Harry Potter that person is helping satan in his efforts to pull people away from God and Yes fantasy is one of satans most effective tools.

As a Christine if a person has defended Harry Potter as nothing more then fantasy that Christian needs to ask God for forgiveness because it is a slap in the face of the word of God and God Him self for that matter.

I am willing to bet that you Bethany are defending Harry Potter as nothing more then fantasy because you have already let your children and most likely your self fill their heads with the garbage of Harry Potter. What is the difference between Harry Potter and Wicca? It is a nature based religion and how can a religion that is based on nature be harmful to any body? Right? Why don't you let you children or yourself (if you have any children) read the book of Wicca? On those merits alone it is a harmless religion and a fantasy as well. It is man making that which God created for man into a thing of worship that can't even talk back. What Wicca does do is lead those who get involve with it into deeper and darker witchcraft. It plants the seeds of curiosity into the minds of those who participate and they just want to know. They don't intend to go to far but guess what? The first time they opened that book or even entertained the idea of Wicca it was already to late. They can be rescued but only by Christ but first they need to be told or convinced that they have been deceived and your statment "But it's FANTASY" tells me that you have already been deceived Bethany.

Really you shouldn't be telling us that Harry Potter is harmless. You should be telling God that Harry Potter is harmless.

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Read the above, I explain that I'm only 14. I'm flattered that by the way I "defend" makes it seem like I'm older though, thanks. I'm a newly saved Christian, still learning, and so I'm probably going to have a tendency to be wrong once in a while. I'm trying to absorb as much lessons as I can through this forum and other websites that a few other members were kind enough to let me know about. And I'm naturally stubborn, so I do get very opinionated. Sometimes what I need is a good lecture like that.

My opinion on Harry Potter is the same, however. Maybe it'll change. Who knows? My mind has changed so many times about so many things. But I still believe that Harry Potter is harmless IF the person watching the movies or reading the books knows in their mind it's not real. Self-control is a very important factor... I guess children shouldn't be exposed to it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it shouldn't be "not watched" if you're only watching it for entertainment.

Just my opinion, there's still plenty of time for me to be proved wrong.

Edited July 23, 2009 by BethanyLove

[BethanyLove]

But one day you will see.

I hope so.

Edited July 23, 2009 by BethanyLove

[OneLight]

But one day you will see.

I hope so.

Something to chew on, our young sister!

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 (New King James Version)

Avoid Wicked Customs

[BethanyLove]

But one day you will see.

I hope so.

Something to chew on, our young sister!

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 (New King James Version)

Avoid Wicked Customs

[Ovedya]

TV is just a tool and has no particular message. Harry Potter and the world do. Their message is a message that goes against God, Harry being one of witchcraft promotion.

Television, as well as the rest of the entertainment industry, are "of the world." The only elements that are not "of the world" are those that are of creation or of the new creation. Some would say that television is neither good nor bad. Well if that's the case, then neither the music industry nor the movie industry are either good or evil. After all, there are wholesome shows on television and there are wholesome movies. Yet if these are elements of the world then they contain leaven. Consider the fact that the tree of which Adam and Eve ate was called "good and evil." Therefore, even if something is "good" is is not "of the right tree" in a manner of speaking.

I think you are taking it a bit far, Brother. Looking it through your lens, then everything beside being naked in the wilderness is of leaven. The house we live in, the car we drive, the job we hold, the food we eat. This is a far cry from what the OP is talking about.

Tools are just that ... tools. A gun can be used to hunt needed food, or it could be used to rob a person. It is a tool either way. How it is used is what is important, which bring us back to what you were saying about it being from the inside.

On the one hand: exactly my point.

On the other, I think you misunderstand. There is a "god of this world;" on this much I think you and I agree. So the god of this world, Satan, has used the elements of this world: The things invented by man - which are of the tree of knowledge and include not just material things, but more importantly the concepts and philosophies of those things, along with such things as culture, politics, entertainment, and philosophical concepts - to divert us ("us" meaning humanity, God's highest order of creation) from God's eternal purpose. The result of being diverted into these things is just sin, which is "missing the mark." The mark of what? God's eternal purpose in humanity.

[jesussaves]

A word of caution, especially when thinking programs, books...are just entertainment and harmless.

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

I believe it was 20/20 this week that interviewed the woman who wrote Harry Potter. She said it's about love.

Harry Potter is not at all something anyone should let draw them into the deception of the world or satan. Isn't it better to turn away from it than try to justify it as a means of entertainment. Todays world is calling evil good and good evil. No wonder so many are confused about the truth. The Lord gave us His word to tell us how to live, what to avoid, how to fight what the devil tries to push on us through posing as an angel of light. If you are defending Harry Potter please don't take my words alone for it but read what God Himself says about such things and take Him at His word.