cremation?

[Miss Elly]

name='nebula' date='Sep 7 2009,

Again - do you have a cave to be laid in?

Neb, this is in poor taste

How so?

That's how Jesus was "buried".

If someone says they want to be buried like Jesus - you have to be wrapped in linens with spices and laid inside a cave.

I agree. Sometimes the Lord must have a laugh at some of his kids and what they say and debate over. My mother used to say some people would argue with a stump. ha ha. Not saying anyone here in these forums would do that, but sometimes I wonder.

[~Shalhevet~]

Were there any cremations or burials in the Bible?

[~candice~]

Were there any cremations or burials in the Bible?

There certainly are. But I think it would be more beneficial for you to do a word study for yourself, dig into the Word to see what it says for yourself. Even if we were to provide the scriptures for you, according to the berean principle you should check it for yourself anyway to make sure that it is legit .

Try a word study for "buried" in NASB at biblegateway.com .

[~Shalhevet~]

I just thought of something. In our church we recite the Nicene Creed which states:

We believe in one God,

the Father, the Almighty,

maker of heaven and earth,

of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,

the only Son of God,

eternally begotten of the Father,

God from God, Light from Light,

true God from true God,

begotten, not made,

of one Being with the Father.

Through Him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation

He came down from heaven:

by the power of the Holy Spirit

He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,

and was made man.

For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate;

He suffered death and was buried.

On the third day He rose again

in accordance with the Scriptures;

He ascended into heaven

and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,

and His kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

who proceeds from the Father.*

With the Father and the Son He is worshiped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead,

and the life of the world to come. AMEN.

Interesting. Something I should talk to my pastor about.

[~candice~]

This might be a case of simple semantics. You can be buried in a cave. You can be buried in the ground. etc etc... Saying Jesus was "buried" is not really false, it just doesn't state where He was buried.

[Smalcald]

For me it is not a spiritual question but a question of personal likes and dislikes.

I like graveyards, I like graves. They give a physical reminder of a person, the give us a place we can touch and place and simply be, albeit we know as Christians that the body is nothing. But for me I think a grave in the ground anchors at some level a family in one place. From birth to death we need some stability in life a place that your grand kids and great grand kids can go and say that is where grandpa is buried.

I don't have a spiritual problem with cremation, although even if was cremated I would still want to have my ashes buried in one place with some sort of a grave marker.

[Openly Curious]

Again - do you have a cave to be laid in?

Neb, this is in poor taste

How so?

You make it sound like the people just through Jesus in a cave after wrapping him up. It was not like that at all according to the scripture. One does not have to be buried in a cave to follow the pattern in which Christ did concerning the resurrection.

[1 Corinthians 15:42-58]---It tells us in these scripture that our bodies are "SOWN" (planted) in corruption, and it is then raised up in incorruption. It is "SOWN" (our bodies) in dishonour raised in glory. Our bodies are "SOWN" (planted) a natural body; and raised a spiritural body.

For something to be resurrected or come to life it has to be sown or planted in the ground. This is the biblical way we are to follow.

There are many especially in our day where cost is a concern as such are turning to cremation of their body as a choice because of the difference in the cost is much different. And I understand that the cost of being sown in the ground is a concern but still I think the grave is the will of God.

There are those who bring up, What about those who have been burned in fires in many different ways? To make an argument using those people is very distasteful as these people did not have a choice in there death. Even those who have died in the sea were "BURIED" at sea we are told that the sea shall give up their dead as they too will be reserrected they were not buried in the ground but in the sea and also will be raised to life.

Jesus was buried in a "TOMB" which is a difference than that of some ole cave somewhere but Jesus was buried inside of a tomb wraped in linens and was annointed with oil then they rolled the stone across the entrance of the tomb. Yes, the tomb was in rock but that rock was transfigured into a place for burial for family and so on.

That's how Jesus was "buried".

I think I have already answered this above

If someone says they want to be buried like Jesus - you have to be wrapped in linens with spices and laid inside a cave.

A "cave" is not a "tomb" or "burial place" there is such a big difference between the two. I am one that has very deep feelings when it comes to the death burial and the resurrection. Because I know what my Lord went through so I would also in like manner could be reserrected to newness of life.

oc

[nebula]

Again - do you have a cave to be laid in?

Neb, this is in poor taste

How so?

You make it sound like the people just through Jesus in a cave after wrapping him up.

OC - I said "laid", not "thrown". Please don't let your anger get the better of you, OK?

But if you believe what happens to your body after death is important to your faith, I respectfully disagree for no other reason than that you are not sharing in the experience.

But if you believe it important to make a statement to your loved ones afterward, I'll respect that.

But what of the people in places where bodies have to be laid in above-ground crypts due to the water level? Are their bodies being "sown"?

[other one]

Well, I'm getting into this thread a little late, but I have this thing against being eaten by worms, so I'm going to be cremated if my family does what I ask.

I think Jesus is quite capable of putting my old bones back to gether no matter whether they are powder or stuck in the ground or the bottom of the ocean.

[Openly Curious]

'nebula' date='Sep 9 2009,

OC - I said "laid", not "thrown". Please don't let your anger get the better of you, OK?

And all I said, was you make it sound like that, and to me that's how it came across. I do not have anger in my heart toward you or anyone else on worthy. But if stating my opinion makes me have anger. For the sake of you I will apologize to you sincerely.

But if you believe what happens to your body after death is important to your faith, I respectfully disagree for no other reason than that you are not sharing in the experience.

Nebula, I do not understand what you are meaning when you say, I am not sharing in the experience. Could you clarify more in what you were trying to say,? thanks

But if you believe it important to make a statement to your loved ones afterward, I'll respect that.

It is not my intentions to make a statement to my loved ones because I might go by way of the grave or I might be caught up in the air to be forever with the Lord. But, my intent is to please the Lord even in my death, burial and reserrection. This is my belief and I know that others have another way of looking at. But I do not believe in creamation as I'm sure everyone can see that.

But what of the people in places where bodies have to be laid in above-ground crypts due to the water level? Are their bodies being "sown"?

Yes, I do believe that those who are buried in an above-ground grave and once again I do believe this way being sown they are being sown in their grave.

No, there is no difference from those who are "buried" at sea as their bodies are commended to the Lord and the sea was their grave.