Temple of God

[Openly Curious]

Jesus said to "watch" for the abomination that causes desolationwas referrence to Daniel 9:24

It said that this abomination would happen in the holy place.

This holy place is it man made or not?

In the future the temple will be built and this temple will be built by man as all temples or churches are built by man. The Jews will rebuild on the temple mount a temple that will have the holy of holies and the holy place with in it. This temple built by the Jews own hands will be desecrated by the anti-christ and within this temple the anti-christ will enter into the holy place and desecrate this temple by offering up a sacrifice which is the abomination in the sight of the Lord as it causes "desolation" which means something use to be on a certain site which came to ruin this was the temple during the time of Christ which that temple took the people 42 years to build and if you will remember in scripture where Jesus said, that in three days the temple would be destroyed and then will be rebuilt in three days as the veil of the would be rent from top to bottom but Jesus was speaking of his death, burial, and resurrection that would take 3 days. It was told to Jesus that it took 42 years to build the temple and you say, that you are going to tear it down and rebuild in 3 days for they laughed at what Jesus spoke about. For it is this "DESOLATION" of the temple that the Jews will rebuild on the ruined temple mount that we are to "WATCH" for it is this temple that will be "DESECRATED" by the anti-christ as he seems to openly make a great mockery of the creator of the universe as he desecrates the Holy Place. For Jerusalem has a special place in the heart of God but it would take a very long time to share this but Jerusalem was the place where he chose to put his name. Jerusalem also has a place in the future that God wants to bring about. But again this is what we are to watch for in the rebuilt temple by the Jews.

Does god live in temples that man made today?

The god" within your question should be a capital God as the little "g" is used in reference to pagan gods who are not God. I believe that the Spirit of God does live in temples or churches today even though they have been built by the hands of men. Now that does not take away from the fact in 2 Corinthians that our bodies are the temple of the Lord which is true. I believe that the presence of God does abide in temples as some say, and churches that others say, but the presence of God is everywhere when we gather together to worship in spirit and truth and hear the word of God. But I also acknowlege the fact that not all churches come together for the right motives and are not dedicated to the cause of Christ and the presence of the Holy Spirit has chosen not to dwell among these kind of people when they gather together to worship but only in vain do they worship God.

God has never "lived" in a Temple. And btw, ALL of the temples that have existed in the Land of Israel were "man-made." When the Bible claims that God does not live temples made by man, the point being made is that he is not like the gods of the pagans who were said to live in those temples. It was a statement made to show that the God of the Bible was far greater than any of the pagan gods. The pagans had no point of reference for an all-powerful God who was omnipresent (everywhere at once).

I do not know of any scripture reference that backs up your statement that "God has never "lived" in a Temple." For the Word depicts just the opposite for God did abide in temple made by man such as the tent of meeting the tabernacle or temple God instructed Moses to build. For God "did" live within the tent of meeting. It is recorded that the Spirit of God filled the temple even Moses himself when he came out of the temple had to put a veil over his face so the people couldn't see as the glory of God would fade from his face. Then you have the temple at Shiloh that seem to have up and down times whether they wanted to serve God or not. The sons of Eli were priest in the temple who did wickedly in the sight of God and they took from the offerings whatever they wanted and slept with the women who come to the temple, The Spirit left the temple and God judged the house of Eli as he did not discipline his sons and let the evil continue. But the Spirit of God did return to the temple at Shiloh as there heart did turn back to God though it took years. The temple of Zurubabel the Spirit of God filled that temple when it had been dedicated with his divine presence and glory. The temple of David that Solomon built had been destoyed and at the rebuilding of the temple that followed at the dedication of the temple the old people were there weeping as they "remembered" the first temple that Solomon had built in all of it's splender and the glory how God did dwell at the temple of Solomon. And as the older generation were there weeping as they had actually worshiped and experienced the greatness and glory of the former temple. The younger people who were there rejoicing at the dedication of the temple as they were rejoicing because they never had the knowledge of the former temple they were not born yet during that time so you had the older ones weeping in what they once had in the temple Solomon and you had the younger ones rejoicing because temple worship was the will of God and they would for the first time be able to experience worshipping in the temple.

You say, that all the temples that had been built in the land of Israel were "man-made" Do you really think that the Spirit of God cannot dwell in a man-made temple just because the heathen or pagans dwell in temples? Then you say, that the spirit of the pagan gods fills their temples, How could that be? when idol gods are "DEAD" they have no life whatsoever and again. How can a temple be filled with the life of a "DEAD IDOL god"that can't see, nor hear, or is able to speak? I'm reminded of Elijah and the prophets of Baal how he challenged their idol gods to see if they were true or not and the Baal worshippers lost. The prophets of baal ended up cutting themselves in flustration to the point of bleeding but their dead god did not win any of the events that Elijah put forth. But the God of Elijah showed himself "Alive to Elijah" It may have been said, that the gods of the pagans were in the temples that they had been built. But God did not want to be compared to those "man-made" temples that the pagans had built for themselves to worship their idol gods in. Temple worship was the plan in the OT and still is today for God dwells within our hearts as we worship God in Spirit and in truth. The Spirit of God as I said, dwells in temples today as our bodies are the house where the Spirit of the Lord abides within. There should never be any comparison from temple worship to pagan worship never.

God is omni-present being everywhere at once but the pagans gods can be no-where at once for they are dead.

God, is omnipresent, and so cannot be confined to a single location. He cannot be contained in a temple.

Yes, God is omni-present, You say, at the end of your statement, That God cannot be contained in a temple. What about the temple of the Lord our body the house of God? Who are we to say where God wants his Spirit to dwell at it is his Spirit he can give it and he can take it away? With that question if God can give his Spirit to a person or group of people within a certain measure (I do not know what that measure is) of the Spirit then God has confined his Spirit as God gave it to them. Then if the Lord decides he wants to withdraw from people then no longer is the portion of the Spirit confined for it is taken away.

Even though God is omnipresent and is everywhere at one time but mankind is not everywhere at the sametime. Only one needs to read the history of the Israelites how God brought them out of bondage. Then in Exodus God gave to Moses the plans to build the temple or tent of tabernacle. God dwelt in the holy of holies behind the veil in the ark of God.

For it was God who came down and tabernacled among us for he did confine hiself and yet was everywhere at once. Sure the pagans had temple worship to their idol gods who couldn't see, hear or speak. But in the temple of the Lord that he directed Moses to build. It was in that temple that the only one and true living God came to dwell among his people. A God who did see, hear and speak for he was not dead but alive.

God can abide anywhere he chooses for he lives within the hearts of the believers contained in their hearts but then he is everywhere at the same time. For our body is the temple of the Lord and even though we are the temple of the Lord he still dwells beyond us.

Right! However, when we read in the old testiment when Gods people would commit the worship of other gods this was useually the reason why God would bring judgement to His people. Why? well God is Holy and at that time the temple was holy and because it was holy, it was an abomination to God when his people would worship other gods in His temple.

Yes, I agree with you for the prophet Ezekiel confirms this in how the worship of idol gods was going on in the temple and they were warned to turn from idol worship back to the worship of God to were the temple would be cleansed.

Ezekiel 3:16-27--(the warning)

Ezekiel 8:1-18--(tells of the worship of idols going on in the temple of God, also shows that judgement was going to come because of this.)

Ezekiel 9:1-11--(vs 1--God called men to come forth with their weapons with them. vs. 2--Six men came out and had their slaughter weapons with them. Among those six men one of the men had a ink-horn by his side. vs. 2-4--And this man went in the temple at the brazen alter and the cherub went over to the threshold and God spoke to the man with the ink-horn and told him to go throughout the city of Jerusalem and to set a mark on the foreheads of those who sigh, and cry because of the abominations that was done in the midst of them. So the man went forth setting a mark on those who mourned over the abomination going on. vs. 5-6-- The Lord told the other 5 men to follow the man with the ink-horn and to smite or kill everyone that didn't have a mark on their forehead and to spare no-one who did not have the mark young or old, maids, little children, women, and the Lord told them to start at his sanctuary. And at the temple they started at the "ancient men" which was before the house--Ezekiel 8:-11-12 )

Today we are in a new covenet with God through Jesus. therefore, i ask the question, what constitutes holy to God today?

Yes, and I thank God because the NT is based on better promises (Hebrews 7:22; 8:6.) Peter told us that we are holy when he quotes (Leviticus 11:44,) which says, "Be holy, because "I" am holy"

(1 Peter 1:16) The "I" refers to God Himself. Be ye holy because God is holy. Being holy to God is to compare our holiness with the holiness of God and seperate from the wickedness in the world by not participating in it as God is our example and this is to be "holy to God". For the Lord has seperated Himself from wickedness and it is said be ye holy for I am holy just as God is set apart from sin and wickedness we also are to seperate ourselves to the work in the service of God. This is what constitutes holy to God today. For it is the blood of Christ that has set us apart from the world unto Himself and unto his divine purpose to be living sacrifices holy and acceptable to God. (Romans 12:1-3).

"holy" means set apart to God's service. Think of Moses back in (Exodus 3:5) When God told Moses to take off his sandals because where he was a standing at was "holy ground" and this was all out in a field surrounding a burning bush.

If he no longer dwells in temples made by man, why shuold we be looking for a new temple made by man if God no longer dwells in temples made by man? How could a building be holy if the people who build it have rejected Christ?

As I mentioned earlier that we are not looking for a new temple that is man-made what we are told is to "Watch" when the temple is being desecrated by the anti-christ this is what we are to be doing and we are not to be looking for a new temple that's man-made Nevertheless a temple will be rebuilt on the temple mount as it will have the holy of holiess with in it and also the holy place will be inside of it. It was in the holy place where we were made righteous a place were the people came in order to draw nigh to God behind the veil inside of the holy of holies. For it was Christ who made away for us to draw nigh to him.

Just because a people builds a temple to God it does not mean that God's Spirit dwells with that people. Even in the temple of Solomon was holy to God (seperated to God or dedicated) but when idol worship came in the temple the Lord said no-more and judgment came upon the people all except those who had the mark.

It is clear that there will be a temple built but just because it is man-made it absolutely does not mean God dwells there nor does it mean that God has no feelings toward what the people has done nor does it mean that he has no feeling toward the holy place where the blood of Jesus Christ made us the righteousness of God so we could draw near to God behind the veil. When you think of what the anti-christ is doing when he desecrates this temple in that he is sacrificing an offering in order to get people to accept his nature and thus draw near unto him instead of Christ. When this happens the Lord will no longer have longsuffering and mercy will be gone judgement will come. So it is not that the Lord is entering into the man-made temple but he will no longer let the wickedness of the anti-christ go on making a mockery of the sacrifice that was made by the blood of Jesus.

There is nothing that you wrote i disagree with. And yor closeing statement clears up a little more for me.

Do you think that Matthew 24:15 has a duel meaning to it? This is speaking about an event in the future where the temple will be built and the antichrist will come and desecrate the temple. There are no dual meanings here.

Or is what Jesus said to be taken at face value? Again, there are no dual meanings here and should literally be taken at face value

or does this only apply to the Jewish nation? This is an event that will come to pass in Israel but this event will affect the entire world.

[Fez]

I do not know of any scripture reference that backs up your statement that "God has never "lived" in a Temple." For the Word depicts just the opposite for God did abide in temple made by man such as the tent of meeting the tabernacle or temple God instructed Moses to build. For God "did" live within the tent of meeting.

Act 17:24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,

Act 17:25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.

Blessings

[Openly Curious]

Daniel 9:24-27--Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This scripture in Daniel 9:24-27

God shows to us, "seventy weeks" for the Jews. This period is given to "finish" the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophesy and to anoint the most holy place (vs. 24) In sight that the last 1/2 of the "7" is 3.5 of times.

Daniel 7:25-26--And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the cunsummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times and a half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

If you pay close attention to the verses you can see the antichrist and some of the things he is going to bring to pass. The antichrist will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven'''', and he is going to cause both the sacrifice and offerings taking place in the Jewish temple to be stopped in the middle of the 'seven'. Also, paying attention you can see the antichrist has no power over the 'saints', in the first half of 'seven', so he and his Gentiles army couldn't possibly trample the holy city during this time period. So this 42 months has to be the second half of the 'seven'. (some multiplication and a little homework will give the right answer)

Half of 7 is 3.5, which actually means that a time, times and half a time is 3.5 of times, but 3.5 of what time? 3.5 days? 3.5 month? or 3.5 years? Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Got to remember that the antichrist does not have any power over the saints in the first half of the seven, "but" in the second half of the seven the antichrist will have power over the saints. (so back to our math)

So, the second half of the 'seven' = 42 months, and 42 months are 3.5 years: so then we got half of the 'seven' = 42 months is 3.5 years !!! Hopefully clarity will be found because we now can find that 'a time, times, and half, a time' = second half of the last 'seven' = 42 months = 3.5 years.

Just a couple of verses down in Revelation 12:5-6 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 1,260 days the woman spoken of here is the woman that is the nation of Israel during the first half of the seven Israel will be enjoying peace and will control of her holy temple for the first half of the seven. After this the holy city and temple will be trampled by the Gentiles for 42 months.

If Jesus were a liar, why would he die for his claim, when he could easily have avoided such a cruel death with a few choice words? John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Revelation 19:11-17 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth, goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations; and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

That promise was made by the Lord Jesus Christ and it's the final promise in God's word, Jesus then closes His revelation to man saying, "Surely I come quickly".... during which the Israelis have to flee. The Israelis or nation of Israel. She will flee for 1,260 days and from here you can see that the 1,260 days = 42 months So far we got: a time, times, and half a time = second half of the last 'seven' = 42 months = 3.5 years = 1,260 days. Also in Revelation12:4,6 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. vs. 6)And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her, there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. for a time, times, and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. that will be a glorious day for all the saints when Satan can't no longer reach us,

[priest4Him]

This is an excellent question. Funny because this was in my Bible study last night. I googled "abomination of desolation" because I didn't know what it meant (I haven't read Daniel yet). From what I read on google (bad source I know), it means that the anti-christ will come from the holy place. That holy place could be Israel?? I don't know.

Anti-christs is already here my firend

[Lovingsoul]

The main reason is because I get frustrated that people would rather ask others for answers to their theological questions than to do the reading themselves, which allows the Holy Spirit to work in their lives and teach them what the Scriptures are all about and the message that they have.

Actaully, I do believe e lansing asked to open a discussion for which (s)he(?) already has an answer - asking a question to open a discussion is a teaching tool.

So where is his/her teaching? I may be wrong, but all I see is the OP asking the same questions, progressing with the answers that are given. But no answers. Like I said, however, I may be wrong.

The point Nebula is making is that we learn by asking questions. We use questions as teaching tools to help us learn. The fact that I study on my own does not mean that I don't need to ask questions. Someone may know something valuable that I did not see in my own studies.

The Holy Spirit uses people to teach us and the Bible puts a high premium on gaining wisdom from those wiser than us.

Amen Shiloh, Amen!

[Guest]

I am not a student of prophesy, but we do read that the temple will be built again and in the middle of the "week", "He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.

[Joshua-777]

I am not a student of prophesy, but we do read that the temple will be built again and in the middle of the "week", "He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.

[Thankful 1]

Jesus said to watch for the abomination that causes desolation and was a referrence to Daniel 9:24. It said that this abomination would happen in the holy place. This holy place is it man made or not? Does god live in temples that man made today?

(John 14:23-24)