Whos's in Control? You decide.

[~Shalhevet~]

Welcome to Worthy Brother.

The story of Job is interesting. satan could not afflict Job without Gods permission. God did not kill all of Job's live stock and children, satan did that, but, God allowed it, for His purpose. satan also afflicted Job further, but not without permission.

Through this whole terrible ordeal, Job exercised free will.

This.

Welcome Ryan.

[Guest]

Welcome!

[MorningGlory]

Hello, and welcome to Worthy!

[enoob57]

I am a very open person who is always open to new ideas. Thank you. Your brother in Christ Ryan

Welcome to Worthy! Quickly build your ideas on God's Word so as not to be moved! Love Steven

[Guest]

Welcome Again!

Amen Brother Steven, Amen!

Praying!

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:11

[enoob57]

At our church service the other night my pastor made a comment about God being in control of everything. After service I asked him that "If God was really in control of everything than doesnt that throw free will out the window." Obviously he said no and he gave me Romans 8:28 to read. So after reading that verse I still wasn't convinced that God controls everything. (Not saying that he couldn't if he so chose.) So I looked up some other verses regarding the topic. Many times in scripture it tells us that God is not in control of everyting and that this world is satans (Luke 4:5-7), and that we as belivers are supposed to be light unto the world. Romans 8:28 tells us that God causes everytihgn to work together for those who believe. I belive that God does not control everything because he wants us to come to him out of love not control or fear, and that God uses the things that he doesn't control to benefit his will in the end. Please share your feelings on this. I am a very open person who is always open to new ideas. Thank you. Your brother in Christ Ryan

You have just stepped into one huge controversy- free will / God's Sovereignty - wow I remember when I started studying that! Years ago!!! God's Speed Love Steven

[EricH]

Moved from Worthy Welcome to Doctrinal Questions

[Openly Curious]

Freewill goes all the way back to the garden to eat or not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. When that temptation from Satan Eve had a choice to eat or not and we all know she chose to eat from the forbidden tree. Eve also chose to take the forbidden tree to Adam and he chose to eat of the forbidden fruit himself. Both Adam and Eve made "choices" of their own wills having no control upon them.

God created us with the capacity to exercise our own freewill in the way we desire to go. When God created mankind he did not create them to be slaves having no choices of their own. But he created mankind and gave them freewill not being controlled as a slave having no choices. Being told from day to day what to do day in and day out when to do things and when not to do things when to eat and sleep and so on.

Even though God is Sovereign and knows of his own divine will he made from the foundation of the earth and those plans that were made before the foundation of the earth was laid has been revealed to us in His will being the Bible.

God is our Creator and is in control he created man a little lower than the angels and in that place up under the sun God has placed us to make our own choices in this life whether our choices are bad or good.

If I didn't have freewill then I would not have the capacity to make any type of decisions. I decide things from the morning to the night when I go to bed. From day to day just according to what a day may bring it can force us into making hard decisions one day from the next.

A plan can't come to pass unless a decision is made hopes, dreams, just anything can't happen on it's own until somebody will make the necessary decisions. Those who fail to make decisions their plans will fail as you can't move forward until you do

Yes, we can decide who is in control of our lives do we allow God to govern our lives or do we allow Satan to govern our lives.

[Fez]

This might be hard to get one's head around, but I believe God gives us free will but He already knows what we have done with it. It's kind of like, as an example, I decide to move from one city to another for a new job, and I find that it is not actually what I really wanted and have made a bad choice. God knew I was going to do that from the beginning (the very beginning), He knows what I am going to do next, because my future, which is His future plan, is already in the past for Him.

God lives outside time, time is our invention, to God everything just is.

So God created us, and knew we would sin in the garden, but allowed it to happen, because He knows where it will end. Everything is His creation, and He is sovereign, so He knows everything. Once we understand that, we understand that everything is about Him, not about us.

[Littlelambseativy]

Most interesting - I heard of a well known minister who at the altar call would not ask the song 'I surrender all' to be sung, because it is something that is something that we never do.