Why America MUST fall

[BlindSeeker]

I don't agree with this statement, and feel it is a bit prideful? Patriotism aside, what makes you think that there are not many countries that would not tolerate the abrogation of the right to free worship or the pursuit of liberty?

OK, I didn't make the claim -

But my line of thinking is that with America gone or powerless - which nation or group of nations will become the dominant world power?

Will that nation or group be a force for liberty?

When America falls (with a bang) "she shall be utterly burned with fire" . . . it all hits the fan.

Europe as well I believe will be severely damaged and weakened, and with America and Europe out of the way, that'll make way for China and Russia to move in on the middle east.

[other one]

I don't agree with this statement, and feel it is a bit prideful? Patriotism aside, what makes you think that there are not many countries that would not tolerate the abrogation of the right to free worship or the pursuit of liberty?

OK, I didn't make the claim -

But my line of thinking is that with America gone or powerless - which nation or group of nations will become the dominant world power?

Will that nation or group be a force for liberty?

When America falls (with a bang) "she shall be utterly burned with fire" . . . it all hits the fan.

Europe as well I believe will be severely damaged and weakened, and with America and Europe out of the way, that'll make way for China and Russia to move in on the middle east.

Maybe from BP's sloppy drilling LoL

[Bold Believer]

That said, your statement rings true to me. With America gone, true liberty will be gone as well, including the liberty to freely worship as one sees fit.

I don't agree with this statement, and feel it is a bit prideful? Patriotism aside, what makes you think that there are not many countries that would not tolerate the abrogation of the right to free worship or the pursuit of liberty?

Fez, isSouth Africa a Christian nation? Or a socialist one? Do you have speech codes? Can you own a gun or other weapon? Can you openly speak out against your government without fear of arrest and imprisonment? If you are pursuing liberty my brother, that means you have not attained it yet. In America, WE HAVE IT, at least for now. But there are those forces which are attempting harder than ever to take it from us. America is the last of the great Christian nations. The tenets of Christianity which Americas was founded upon are being eroded faster and faster by the rising floodwaters of humanist Magogism.

America must fall (in the eyes of the humanist/Magogist) because she adheres to Christian principles even yet and stands in the way of Magog's march. When America is gone or relegated to obscurity in the course of world affairs, her influence will no longer be there and Magogism will sweep the world.

This is an excerpt from the Facebook page of a Magogist:

Political Views: Liberal all the way - definitely not a Republican

Religious Views: Athiest - I believe religions such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are evil.

Bio I am white, 6'4" tall with dark brown/blonde hair and blue eyes. I don't drink, I don't smoke, and I don't do drugs of any kind. In fact, I hate all that stuff. I'm a very creative and artistic person. I enjoy music, singing, and dancing.

I am a kind person who believes that love is the most important thing in the world. I am a liberal who believes that people are free to do what they want, as long as they don't hurt others. Obviously, morality is very important to me. I am very open-minded and rational, which is why I'm also an atheist.

My most passionate cause is for animal rights. I am a vegetarian and very much against animal cruelty, including meat, hunting, and animal testing.

I am a huge supporter of gay rights, because, as I said, love is so important in this world, so I want there to be as much love as possible.

I am anti-racist, believing we are all equal. Racism doesn't seem like as big of an issue today as it once was, but sometimes something will really upset me, such as a KKK member who actually thinks Jesus was white.

Another passionate cause of mine concerns religion. I don't mind so much people believing in a higher power or such, but the teachings of religion, such as our planet being 6,000 years old or that women must submit to men are just wrong. Unfortunately, religion mostly teaches hate and immorality, so I wish to have nothing to do with it.

This is just one of them. He/she is a god in his/her own eyes. Now how many more of these Satanically inspired godless people are out there? THEY NUMBER LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEASHORE. Like cockroaches, as long as there is darkness to hide in, they do their filthy work, advancing the precepts of Gog the Devil. These people are in government office (see the article on prayer being banned in Council in Leicester, England as another example) worldwide at all levels. THERE IS ONE IN THE AMERICAN WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, AND THE CONGRESS AND SUPREME COURT IS TEEMING WITH THEM. America is like an old neglected historical structure with a foundation crumbling and rats and moles digging at it a little at time, weakening it daily. Meanwhile the occupants of the house are blissfully oblivious to the condition of the structure.

[Bold Believer]

Joe you are so right, sin is the biggest threat to our country and I should move that to the top of the list of threats. Just think if we could take sin out of the equation, we could trust our leaders in Washington to make sound decisions, instead of making abortion legal, forgetting that God is the Lord of all which resulted in the government leaving God. If our government would trust in God, are problems would be much smaller.

If we keep electing clowns though, why are we so surprised at the circus? If we keep electing godless heathen people into office, why are we surprised that our government legislates mischief? Israel begged God for a king so that she could be like all the other nations. Did God want Israel to have a king? No; but like spoiled children, Israel kept asking and finally God relented. The rest is history. America had a republic. But now, we want a humanist utopia like all the other nations. Be careful what you wish for. You may well get it.

It is written:

Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Christians have abdicated their authority in this world to the godless. IF YOU WANT GOOD GOVERNMENT, ELECT RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE TO OFFICE.

It's a little late now, but a little salt will stave off the decay (and make the Magogists angrier in the process) a while longer.

Psa 11:3 If the foundations are destroyed, What can the righteous do?

[MorningGlory]

Joe you are so right, sin is the biggest threat to our country and I should move that to the top of the list of threats. Just think if we could take sin out of the equation, we could trust our leaders in Washington to make sound decisions, instead of making abortion legal, forgetting that God is the Lord of all which resulted in the government leaving God. If our government would trust in God, are problems would be much smaller.

If we keep electing clowns though, why are we so surprised at the circus? If we keep electing godless heathen people into office, why are we surprised that our government legislates mischief? Israel begged God for a king so that she could be like all the other nations. Did God want Israel to have a king? No; but like spoiled children, Israel kept asking and finally God relented. The rest is history. America had a republic. But now, we want a humanist utopia like all the other nations. Be careful what you wish for. You may well get it.

It is written:

Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Christians have abdicated their authority in this world to the godless. IF YOU WANT GOOD GOVERNMENT, ELECT RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE TO OFFICE.

It's a little late now, but a little salt will stave off the decay (and make the Magogists angrier in the process) a while longer.

Psa 11:3 If the foundations are destroyed, What can the righteous do?

I'm not sure who the 'they' are who want the humanist utopia but I AM sure I don't know any of them. Those who are looking for this utopia will find hell instead.

[nebula]

Liberty does exist outside of America. If America falls and another nation or group of nations takes over, I expect to see them also tout liberty... perhaps this nation or group of nations might have a different view on liberty than the American view, and perhaps they might hold it in a different regard, but I still expect to see it even after America falls [if that is what occurs].

What if the power is China or Russia?

I don't know about the EU. But European nations have a track record of conquering lands, not building them up.

[~candice~]

Liberty does exist outside of America. If America falls and another nation or group of nations takes over, I expect to see them also tout liberty... perhaps this nation or group of nations might have a different view on liberty than the American view, and perhaps they might hold it in a different regard, but I still expect to see it even after America falls [if that is what occurs].

What if the power is China or Russia?

I don't know about the EU. But European nations have a track record of conquering lands, not building them up.

Neb, I don't think China and Russia will espouse freedom the same way the USA has / will. But freedom still remains beyond the states, I personally live in a free country. At least I believe I do, some obviously disagree.

[nebula]

I thought the statement was about no other nation would defend liberty the way the US has.

So, would China defend another country for the sake of liberty?

[Bold Believer]

Joe you are so right, sin is the biggest threat to our country and I should move that to the top of the list of threats. Just think if we could take sin out of the equation, we could trust our leaders in Washington to make sound decisions, instead of making abortion legal, forgetting that God is the Lord of all which resulted in the government leaving God. If our government would trust in God, are problems would be much smaller.

If we keep electing clowns though, why are we so surprised at the circus? If we keep electing godless heathen people into office, why are we surprised that our government legislates mischief? Israel begged God for a king so that she could be like all the other nations. Did God want Israel to have a king? No; but like spoiled children, Israel kept asking and finally God relented. The rest is history. America had a republic. But now, we want a humanist utopia like all the other nations. Be careful what you wish for. You may well get it.

It is written:

Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Christians have abdicated their authority in this world to the godless. IF YOU WANT GOOD GOVERNMENT, ELECT RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE TO OFFICE.

It's a little late now, but a little salt will stave off the decay (and make the Magogists angrier in the process) a while longer.

Psa 11:3 If the foundations are destroyed, What can the righteous do?

I'm not sure who the 'they' are who want the humanist utopia but I AM sure I don't know any of them. Those who are looking for this utopia will find hell instead.

Do you know someone (like that example I gave from Facebook) who supports all the garbage the liberals spout? They're the ones who want a humanist utopia. You probably know a lot more of them than you realize.

[Bold Believer]

Liberty does exist outside of America. If America falls and another nation or group of nations takes over, I expect to see them also tout liberty... perhaps this nation or group of nations might have a different view on liberty than the American view, and perhaps they might hold it in a different regard, but I still expect to see it even after America falls [if that is what occurs].

What if the power is China or Russia?

I don't know about the EU. But European nations have a track record of conquering lands, not building them up.

Neb, I don't think China and Russia will espouse freedom the same way the USA has / will. But freedom still remains beyond the states, I personally live in a free country. At least I believe I do, some obviously disagree.

Australia free? (I am assuming you're from OZ or New Zealand) Your government took your guns. There are certain things you can't say. That ain't freedom friend. That's tyranny lite. On the face, it looks like freedom, but underneath...rotten.