SAVED or ........SAVED then LOST?

[angels4u]

I'm not going to read all the discusions, there are too many, but for the people who believe you can lose your Salvation after being sincerely born again,did God set a limit how often I can come back?? Is there a cut off time??

In Him forever! Angels

[Guest astralis]

angels4u,

 I don't understand if you're addressing me.  Could you clarify for me?

[CWJ]

NOONE....I say.....NOONE at all.......has answered my question about SPECIFIC verses that SPECIFICALLY state you can:

become un-re-born

become un-in-dwelt by the Holy Spirit (NT)

God ceases to work IN a saint Phil2:13

become un-re-created (un-made from a new creature)Gal6;15

ceases to be a child of God

looses salvation

AND I MEAN SPECIFICALLY!.......if the scriptures tell you these things are so, specifically......then if they can be un-done.....shouldn't you be able to show me so?????

SHOW ME IF YOU CAN.....(and I don't think you can)

Peace, Carl....OSAS

[angels4u]

Can somebody please answer my question?

When is it cut off time......what is the sin what would break my relationship with God, is there anything? How often can I come back?

Angels

[elect]

Angels said, "Can somebody please answer my question?

When is it cut off time......what is the sin what would break my relationship with God, is there anything? How often can I come back?

Angels"

You cannot lose eternal life. If you could, it wouldn't be 'eternal' life. It would be 'maybe' life, or 'temporary' life, or

something like that. But it would not be 'eternal life'.

As for a sin that would be a final turning point, or something

of that nature, there are a couple verses that may give some insight-

"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it."                                            1 Jn.5.16

"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;"                        Rev.3.7

But these would refer to Christ's sovereign choice towards the lost- not the saved- to never more give them another opportunity to hear and obey the gospel( not that these ever could obey it, but to show how righteous God is in showering mercy after mercy upon these hard-hearted sinners).

The saved *are*saved forever because of the unchangable purpose of the Lord to set His everlasting love on them. He knows His own in an almighty, saving way-

"You only have I known of all the families of the earth:..."

                                                                 Amos 3.2

'For I am the Lord, I change not; Therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."                                         Mal.3.6

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."                                     Lk.12.32

Such a verse would not be in God's word, if God was only offering a gift that could be rejected, or thrown away by us.

Don't you see this? If my salvation was ultimately up to me,

I would lose it for sure. We all would-think about it. But my salvation is in a safer place than in my hands-

"According as He hath chosen us in Him(Jesus) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:

 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will."                                                             Eph.1.4,5

 

[munari]

CWJ,

I posted this before, I'll post it again:

Posted: June 13 2002,14:37    

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We are saved from eternal damnation. But you didn't address my question about what specifically it was that I said that did not make sense to you.

This will illustrate what I was talking about:

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"Are you saved?" asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: "As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5

[angels4u]

Elect, thak you for ansering my question, I agree with you for 100% ,we can not play games with God, one day saved, other day lost...... my God is able to keep me until the end, and nobody can pluck me out of His hand!!

Munari, if I died today and am not Baptist in the RC church, would you trust me by my word about my Salvation?

Would you be concinved I would go to be with Jesus right away??

In Christ,Angels

[munari]

I don't know where you would go. I know that you confess Christ as your Lord and Savior, but only God knows your heart and what you truly believe. What I think does not matter, its what God knows.

When you say will you go "right away", no, I don't think so because everyone has to go to Purgatory to be purged and purified.

[wordsower]

Where do you get that from the scripture?  I'm not being sarcastic, really, I understand that we are currently being "put thorugh the fire" as needed through our troubles and trials on this earth God is perfecting our character to become more Christ-like.  Then when He comes we will be changed in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye.  Pergatory seems like a very strange doctrine to me from the Father that I know loves me unconditionally.

[munari]

You're right, God is a loving father. But, like all loving fathers, He also has to punish His children when they stray.

Here, I'll post this for you from:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp

"Purgatory Not in Scripture"

Some Fundamentalists also charge, as though it actually proved something, "The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." This is true, and yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The words Trinity and Incarnation aren