Hebew mind vs. Greek mind

[Guest]

Hallelujah!

[JCISGD]

Yeah, well I don't worship at the altar of Finney. Finney had some rather heretical theology. The alleged exagerated reports about Finney were also made about Wigglesworth who is said to have raised people from the dead.

Its clearly dishonest to accuse me of idol worship because i love the works that God did through Finney, who was not heretic or ever charged as such during his time. Even if the reports are exaggerated makes little difference really, so what if only half that number were converted?

Long after his death the Welsh revival was attributed to 80,000 leaflets of his being distributed, that the Holy Spirit used to bring strong conviction and repentance.

Wigglesworth raised a man from the dead in the Wellington town hall here in NZ, it was confirmed and reported in the newspapers.

Seems to me you dont believe Mark 16:17+18.

Its funny that God gave power to do miracles and save souls to people right through the ages, and even spoke through a donkey but anything claimed today is dismissed.

[Fez]

Yeah, well I don't worship at the altar of Finney. Finney had some rather heretical theology. The alleged exagerated reports about Finney were also made about Wigglesworth who is said to have raised people from the dead.

Its clearly dishonest to accuse me of idol worship because i love the works that God did through Finney, who was not heretic or ever charged as such during his time. Even if the reports are exaggerated makes little difference really, so what if only half that number were converted?

Long after his death the Welsh revival was attributed to 80,000 leaflets of his being distributed, that the Holy Spirit used to bring strong conviction and repentance.

Wigglesworth raised a man from the dead in the Wellington town hall here in NZ, it was confirmed and reported in the newspapers.

Seems to me you dont believe Mark 16:17+18.

Its funny that God gave power to do miracles and save souls to people right through the ages, and even spoke through a donkey but anything claimed today is dismissed.

Shiloh, do you believe that in the name of Jesus it is possible to raise people from the dead?

[Botz]

Shiloh, do you believe that in the name of Jesus it is possible to raise people from the dead?

Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn...I'm sure Shiloh does...he was just touching on the fact that in both Finney and Wigglesworth's case, many of the things attributed to them have been elaborated and exaggerated so that when you read some of the things they are meant to have done, it casts doubt on what really took place. Evidently Smith Wigglesworth was not a very engaging individual, but he sure moved mountains.

[Fez]

Shiloh, do you believe that in the name of Jesus it is possible to raise people from the dead?

Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn...I'm sure Shiloh does...he was just touching on the fact that in both Finney and Wigglesworth's case, many of the things attributed to them have been elaborated and exaggerated so that when you read some of the things they are meant to have done, it casts doubt on what really took place. Evidently Smith Wigglesworth was not a very engaging individual, but he sure moved mountains.

No sweat brother, I just wanted to get that straight...

[sheya joie]

I thought of this:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children,

and the heart of the children to their fathers,

lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

[Guest]

.... Apart from this...it is just common sense to look at Scripture through Jewish eyes in as far as is possible....otherwise as Yod, Shiloh, Mizzdy and Nebula amongst others have pointed out, we do not clearly grasp some of the thrust of what is being said, and do not fully enjoy and benefit from the richness of the imagery and the strength of the message...it is a bit like eating a meal with no seasoning in it. (don't take the analogy too far, but perhaps you can see what we are trying to say)....

Amen!

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

[nebula]

Unless anyone here is being used in revival and saving souls in a supernatural ways, then i think our minds Jewish or Gentile, are still carnal and need of renewal.

Whoa there. I don't know of any revivalist who claimed such perfection.

And I would say that the Lord is using me in revival, but as a supporter, not a leader.

Likewise, I am acquainted with people who are ministering in supernatural ways. What I have discovered is that in many ways they are no different than you and I.

I do.

Finney walked into a factory and because of the power of the Holy Spirit resting on him, some women working there came under such conviction they began to break down in tears and repentance and yet he hadnt spoken a word. The owner shut down his factory in concern for his workers souls, and by days end nearly all were marvolously saved.

Every where Finney went it was only a short time before revival had swept through the place, and these were not phony excitement based revivals we see today in many places. For 54 years he lived in this power and if he felt it leave he went to prayer and fasting untill it returned on him.

I see a world of difference, but you are right in one sense as Elijah was an ordinary man also, yet the Holy Spirit does extrodinary works through holy men fully submitted to God.

It didnt take knowing the Hebrew mind for Finney to win over 1/2 million souls to Christ under his direct preaching, it took submission and obedience. Im not trying to offend, but you can carry on in denial and ignorance all you like it doesnt change fact.

Did Finney claim to have a complete carnal-free mind?

And as far as revivals go, why not point towards the two old women who prayed in the Hebrides Revival? Or why not the Moravians?

No, theology isn't what the great moves of the Holy Spirit are about. However, bad theology does plug the works - not as bad as discord, but it does muck things up.

But again . . .

So again, I am observing that your idea of "Jewish and Gentile minds" is not what we are talking about when we use the terms.

You keep ignoring this.

Why?

Edited December 26, 2010 by nebula

[JCISGD]

Did Finney claim to have a complete carnal-free mind?

And as far as revivals go, why not point towards the two old women who prayed in the Hebrides Revival? Or why not the Moravians?

No, theology isn't what the great moves of the Holy Spirit are about. However, bad theology does plug the works - not as bad as discord, but it does muck things up.

But again . . .

So again, I am observing that your idea of "Jewish and Gentile minds" is not what we are talking about when we use the terms.

You keep ignoring this.

Why?

Those that are "spiritual" dont make a habit of boasting or making claims, their lives make it evident.

Everyone has a theology even if they cant articulate it. I only point to Finney as his theology is the only one i have read extensively and am in agreement with.

It makes me laugh from the absurdity of it, that you Americans reject a man who was probably the greatest spiritual influence in

your history and are unaware of the huge legacy he left. He was probably the greatest influence in abolishing slavery and championing womens rights through preaching true repentance.

Sorry for ignoring you, i have tried to explain my thinking and we are at an impasse? Your probably right, i just dont get what your saying when you use those terms, please pray that God enlighten me.

[nebula]

Those that are "spiritual" dont make a habit of boasting or making claims, their lives make it evident.

Everyone has a theology even if they cant articulate it. I only point to Finney as his theology is the only one i have read extensively and am in agreement with.

It makes me laugh from the absurdity of it, that you Americans reject a man who was probably the greatest spiritual influence in

your history and are unaware of the huge legacy he left. He was probably the greatest influence in abolishing slavery and championing womens rights through preaching true repentance.

I actually haven't studied Finney. I am simply reacting to how everyone points to a single man when it comes to revivals. I could go on about that, but it would be a serious thread-hijack.

Sorry for ignoring you, i have tried to explain my thinking and we are at an impasse? Your probably right, i just dont get what your saying when you use those terms, please pray that God enlighten me.

But I have explained the mindset with examples:

How time is defined (circular spiral vs. linear)

How lessons are taught (stories vs. outlined sermons)

Things like that.