The Three Wise Men

[Shiloh62]

Matthew 2:7

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found from them the exact time the star had appeaed.8 He sent them to Bethlehem ,and said,"Go and make a careful search fo the child.As soon as you find him,report to me,so that I may go and worship him."

12 And after being warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That was God talking to them.

Are we honestly supposed to believe that Herod was going to worship the child? I don't think so. Moe likely, his intentions were to kill him.

[Guest]

Matthew 2:7

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found from them the exact time the star had appeaed.8 He sent them to Bethlehem ,and said,"Go and make a careful search fo the child.As soon as you find him,report to me,so that I may go and worship him."

12 And after being warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That was God talking to them.

Are we honestly supposed to believe that Herod was going to worship the child? I don't think so. More likely, his intentions were to kill him.

Heart

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death. Proverbs 8:36

Of Sin

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Matthew 2:16

Heart

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2

Of Joy

The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Zephaniah 3:17

See

When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. Matthew 2:9-11

Merry Christmas Beloved~!

Love, Your Brother Joe

[other one]

Matthew 2:7

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found from them the exact time the star had appeaed.8 He sent them to Bethlehem ,and said,"Go and make a careful search fo the child.As soon as you find him,report to me,so that I may go and worship him."

12 And after being warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That was God talking to them.

Are we honestly supposed to believe that Herod was going to worship the child? I don't think so. Moe likely, his intentions were to kill him.

You are go obviously right it seems like one of those (well....duh) moments to say so.

[ted]

Matthew 2:7

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found from them the exact time the star had appeaed.8 He sent them to Bethlehem ,and said,"Go and make a careful search fo the child.As soon as you find him,report to me,so that I may go and worship him."

12 And after being warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That was God talking to them.

Are we honestly supposed to believe that Herod was going to worship the child? I don't think so. Moe likely, his intentions were to kill him.

You hit the nail on the head, my friend. In fact, if you go down to v13, you can see the true intentions of Herod, and how Joseph was warned of what was to happen. Also you can read about how the angel of the Lord warned Joseph to flee to Egypt to avoid Herod's true intentions.

Not only that, but it also served to fulfill the prophecy of Hos 11:1, which reads: When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. (kjv)

t.

[Shiloh62]

Matthew 2:7

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found from them the exact time the star had appeaed.8 He sent them to Bethlehem ,and said,"Go and make a careful search fo the child.As soon as you find him,report to me,so that I may go and worship him."

12 And after being warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That was God talking to them.

Are we honestly supposed to believe that Herod was going to worship the child? I don't think so. Moe likely, his intentions were to kill him.

You hit the nail on the head, my friend. In fact, if you go down to v13, you can see the true intentions of Herod, and how Joseph was warned of what was to happen. Also you can read about how the angel of the Lord warned Joseph to flee to Egypt to avoid Herod's true intentions.

Not only that, but it also served to fulfill the prophecy of Hos 11:1, which reads: When Israel was a child, the I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. (kjv)

t.

amen, brother. Sometimes you have to dig deep to read between the lines and see what the deciever doesn't want you to see.

[David333]

Matthew 2:7

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found from them the exact time the star had appeaed.8 He sent them to Bethlehem ,and said,"Go and make a careful search fo the child.As soon as you find him,report to me,so that I may go and worship him."

12 And after being warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That was God talking to them.

Are we honestly supposed to believe that Herod was going to worship the child? I don't think so. Moe likely, his intentions were to kill him.

You are correct in saying that Herod's true intention was not to worship Jesus, but to kill Him. The reason that Herod wanted to kill the baby Jesus was because of the statement that the wise men from the east had made when they entered Bethlehem of Judea. In Matthew 2:2, the wise men from the east entered the town of Bethlehem asking, " where is He that is born "King of the Jews"?". When the magi of the Royal Court of Herod went and told Herod what these wise men from the east were asking, Herod became frightful of losing his position of power, prestige, and authority; because there can only be one King in power at a time. This is the reason that Herod wanted to know the location of the baby Jesus. There is so much to this "Christmas Story" that is never preached or taught on. That is so sad. Notice also what other profound statement the wise men from the east made. They said, "for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him".

There is so much more depth to the too often overlooked passages and words used in the Bible. For the last part of that statement, "His Star", read this verse, Numbers 24:17.

Just another brief point to ponder; have you ever wondered why Herod gave the order to have all the children two years old and younger slain?

I could go on and on and on with this and other intriguing Scripture passages, but I need to stop here so as not to be thought of as trying to start or lead a Bible Study. God Bless, and have a Merry Christmas.

P.S. - Too much of the Truth will utterly undermine the Traditional (doctrines) of the Church.

[Fez]

The Bible does not say there were three wise men. It states there were men bringing three gifts, gold frankincense and myrrh.

Could have been three men, could have been a 100.....

[ted]

The Bible does not say there were three wise men. It states there were men bringing three gifts, gold frankincense and myrrh.

Could have been three men, could have been a 100.....

Very true

Shiloh, although the discussion turned toward Herod's intention, I just wanted to address your original question concerning the wise men. From everything I have read in the Bible, it would seem that the wise men were indeed good, even though Herod had sent them for his own evil intentions.

t.

[David333]

The Bible does not say there were three wise men. It states there were men bringing three gifts, gold frankincense and myrrh.

Could have been three men, could have been a 100.....

True. The "Traditional" 3 wise men that we see today in the Nativity Scene; and hear about in Bible Stories as children, are based on the assumption that because there were 3 gifts listed that were given to the baby Jesus, there must have been only 3 wise men. I agree with you, that the number of the wise men could be up to and possibly more than a hundred.

[David333]

The Bible does not say there were three wise men. It states there were men bringing three gifts, gold frankincense and myrrh.

Could have been three men, could have been a 100.....

Very true

Shiloh, although the discussion turned toward Herod's intention, I just wanted to address your original question concerning the wise men. From everything I have read in the Bible, it would seem that the wise men were indeed good, even though Herod had sent them for his own evil intentions.

t.

I would have to add to this that not all the "wise men" mentioned in the Bible were indeed good. I do believe that the wise men who came from the east when they seen Jesus' star in the eastern sky, were good. That would have been the reason they were studying the ancient prophecies, and then came to "worship" Him. Another reason that not all the wise men in the Bible, in my beleif, could have been good is because of the one's that are mentioned in the court of Pharaoh. These were astrologers, soothsayers, sorcers, magicians, medicine men, phsychics, mediums, etc., etc. The same kind that were employed in Herod's Court.