I have 2 questions I hope someone can answer!

[Openly Curious]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

Scripture says, "Teach us to number our days" (Psalms 90:12). God did cut man's life span down to 120 yrs. then down to 80 yrs. now that doesn't mean a person will not live past eighty years but a certain range a span of time. knowing this we should give good heed unto the days we have on earth because none of us has a promise of tomorrow as life is as a vapour.

As far as your question goes concerning aborted children whenever I was pondering your words I noticed the thought within your question. Being that God has given each of us a set number of days and when they are up we then die. It was the serpent in the garden that deceived Eve and caused Adam to rebel and from that point death enter into the world and all people from Adam on up to the present has to face death as scripture says,"It is appointed unto man once to die after that the resurrection."

God is the giver of life as he sent his only begotten Son into the world that whosoever believeth on him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Death entered into the world through one man sin (disobedience) and sin began to grow and spead throughout the world, and through one man's obedience sumbmission to the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world and the gospel began to be spread all throughout the world and by faith salvation began to come to the hearts of men Jesus said he was the way, the truth, and the life. Satan is the cause of death not God that is important as Christ came to give us life.

God never, never, ever meant for aborted children to die in any case so in answer to your question it is "NO" (caps for emphasis only). You say, "Does that mean God "MEANT" for aborted children to die/when they did-- that is saying, God approved of all the aborted children to be aborted. Again it is "NO" God never meant for aborted children to die when they did. If God meant aborted children to die when they did then that is saying God condones abortion and murder because that is what abortion is. Also, there are premature deaths dying before your time and all of the aborted children are premature deaths. The lives of the children whose lives were taken through the cruel acts of abortion performed by uncaring murderous doctors but all the aborted children were meant to be born and from an infant they were meant to grow to old age somewhere within the current lifespan. Other example's of premature deaths are that, people die in automobile accidents, plane crashes, falls, physical problems and diseases the list is endless the things that can cause premature deaths. But God never meant these deaths to happen for it is the theif that comes to steal, kill and destroy.

If so, for what purpose?

Of course I think you know I don't believe God meant it to happen but my only reason for a response to your second question is to point out that all deaths are caused by Satan and not God no matter how death will find us as all deaths are from Satan no matter the life time span.

Thanx in advance

BLESSINGS

Hey! Openly Curious... The Lord bless you with himself more and more in Jesus' name.

I do not see a 120 year cut to our life spans in scripture but we were cut down to three score and ten years or 70 years with some, by reason of strength, get an additional ten years or 80 years in scripture. Moses lived for 120 years but that was by a special dispensation from the Lord to him alone and even then his eye sight and vitality were never affected by his age even at the 120 year mark...

Heb 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment

You can find where God cut the lifespan of mankind and why he did cut the lifespan of man down to 120 years. Genesis 6:3,5,6,7 (3)And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years (120 yrs.) (5)And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only on evil continually. (6)And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. (7)And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air, for it repenteth me that I have made them.

And God did just that he destroyed everything in the flood save eight souls and the animals on the ark all else totally destroyed. You can read in Genesis 5 of all the example of the long life people live such as Adam who lived to be 930 yrs (5:5) and Methuselah 969 yrs (5:27). You mention a special dispensation given to Moses could you elaborate what you mean as I've never heard of this before and I do know Moses died at 120 yrs. It is true that it is appointed unto man once to die after that the judgment as there are several scripture that validates that same truth. But at the same time there will be a resurrection of the righteous dead and there will be a resurrection of the unrighteous dead scripture tells that we all will stand Before God and give account of the deeds done in our bodies weather good or bad. The last enemy we have to face and that is death whom the resurrection of Jesus death can't hold us and we have the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ the unrighteous do not have this hope.

Deut 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live."

You give the evil one too much credit. Yes he is come to steal, kill, and destroy, but he isn't able to kill everyone that dies.

When it comes to Satan our enemy I place the blame where it belongs because it is what he caused to the whole earthly family, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12). The Word tells us that the devil was a murderer and liar from the beginng even Jesus told us this himself. It is disobedience and the trickery of Satan who decieved Eve that brought death to mankind into the world and I again say the devil is a murderer and a liar and I will put the blame where it rightfully belongs. It is death that will meet every single person as all is born into sin from birth into this life and all will die.

The Lord created laws of nature and spiritual laws for things to operate in both the natural and spiritual realm.---- Like you mentioned in your post,----Adam sinned and because of his covenant with the Lord, we all must die as we all sin,----- So the consequences of sin is death. When we choose to sin, then we will die.

I am aware of spiritual and natural laws you can read of this in (1 Corinthians 15:42-58) and one day this mortal shall put on immortality but it will be through death which Satan caused to come upon all mankind. Everyone from birth is born into sin without God and a slave to Satan we belonged to him until we accept Christ as Lord. I am not aware of speaking in my post about a covenant made with Adam

Sin has three consequences: spiritual, soul-ish, and physical. Take Alcoholism for example: The spiritual consequence of sin is the lake of fire and was taken care of by Jesus for those who turn to him in faith. The soul-ish consequences of this sin is that it destroys relationships and the physical consequence is a ruined liver and an early death. So death was given to us by the Lord as a judgment for sin. Thus the encouragement in Deut 30:19 "to choose life that both you and your seed may live." Also the drunk person can in these modern times, can kill others with their car as they loose control from the effects of their drinking. Another example from Gen 19 is the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah which was done by the angel of the Lord in Judgment for their sin. And again in Egypt, the angel of the Lord killed all of Egypt's first born because Pharaoh resisted the Lord and would not let the Lord's people go.

I personally do not believe that death was given to us by the Lord I do however acknowledge that those who are unregenerated in this world are under the wrath of God but God did not bring death into the world Satan did when he came and decieved Eve through lies that she wouldn't die if she did eat of the tree. Had not the Serpent beguiled the woman into eating then she would never have eaten from the tree thus she would have never taken the fruit to Adam thus breaking that one law to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as God let the consequences of eating from the forbidden tree known and said the day ye eat of it you'll surely die. But death came through Satan decieving, beguiling, with subtlety Eve through temptation.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Ps90:7-12 "For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled. 8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance. 9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told. 10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. 11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath. 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom."

I am aware of this verse as I spoke from it when I mentioned 80 years lifespan I mentioned on the higher side because there are people living past 80 yrs. of age today.

Even in the verse you quoted, Ps90:12 we number our days to learn wisdom or the Lord will make our days to pass away in his wrath because of our sin.

You misquoted the scripture in Psalms 90:12 the verse goes correctly like this......

Psalms 90:12- So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.

This is the prayer of King David as he asks the Lord to teach him to number his days and it was for the purpose to take his days on earth serious to live them out in a way pleasing to God and for one to do this it is applying ones heart to wisdom and wisdom is to echew evil and also what is written in (Deuteronomy 4:5-8) tells of our wisdom and understanding. we are to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto us this is our example found in (Matthew 6) to teach ourselves to number our days and apply ourselves to wisdom.

Psalms 39:4 - Lord, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am. Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.

[ozell]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

God gave man to the age of 70 to live and I don't understand the set time for our death.

as far as the abortion issue

when man chose to listen to satan over God in the garden of eden this brought sin upon man and to this our creation. go back and read the first 3 chapters of genesis for understanding on why we have such evil in the world.

abortion is killing and it is a sin

the definition of sin is

1 John 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

the commandments says don't kill

Exodus 20:13

Thou shalt not kill.

the wages of sin is death

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[ozell]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

God is a God of the living

Mark 12:27

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

God gave man a choice in the garden of Eden and even today

listen to what Jesus said

Genesis 2

¹⁵And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

¹⁶And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: ¹⁷But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

man chose death because of his disobedience

here is what Jesus told the man after he disobeyed God

Genesis 3

¹Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

²And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

³But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

⁴And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

satan lied

⁵For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

⁶And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

⁷And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

⁸And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

⁹And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

¹⁰And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

¹¹And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

¹²And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

¹³And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

¹⁴And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

¹⁵And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

¹⁶Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

¹⁷And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

¹⁸Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; ¹⁹In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

man punishment was death and man has been dying because of sin since Adam

even the abortion of innocent souls.

[taylor30]

The first question is hard only because its not totally clear in that passage if God actually sets the number of days, or simply knows the number of days. Keep in mind, God allows us to live how we wish, and this can mean doing things that can lead to early death. I don't actually think God sets the number of our days. There are several things wrong with the belief that he does. Instead, God KNOWS the number of our days, and we don't which should motivate us to make every one count.

As for the second question, you must remember that God grants mankind a certain amount of Free-Will. Therefore we are able to do things that God does not like. God is a God of love and life. It is never his will for babies to die, but he also doesn't force people to do the right thing, so babies do die. Keep in mind too that scripture does clearly say that babies and children ALWAYS go to Heaven, so an aborted baby is is in Heaven. Try to take some comfort in that.

[Guest Butero]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

It is not possible for anyone to answer this question, other than God himself. Only he has the answer. It is like questions over a person who is born crippled or blind. Why did God make them that way? In Exodus 4:11, God says, "Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Why did he give one man 100 years, and allow another to die as a child? I believe God has a purpose in every child ever conceived, whether they die in the womb, or live a very long life. Remember that nobody really dies. We all live forever, though this body of clay may return to the ground until the time of the resurrection.

I wish I could give you a more satisfactory answer. I would suggest you ask the Lord to show you the reason? Over the years, when I have been unable to figure something out, that is what I did, and more times than not, I received an answer.

[Floatingaxe]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

As Satan is the thief and destroyer that he is, those who are cut off from life in the womb are cut off from the sovereign plan of God by the demon of murder.

[Bold Believer]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

Only God knows the end from the beginning. The most obvious answer to the question is yes. Thing is, that doesn't answer the why. There are some postulations we might make though.

What if the death of that child brings the mother, the father, or perhaps the aborticide murderer to Christ? What if the whole family comes to Christ through the circumstances of the death? Does God desire the death of the child? Of course not, but there is a greater plan that we only see a wee tiny part of as it relates to us personally. In circumstances such as what you describe, it is perhaps best to remember Joseph. His brothers meant what they did to him for evil, but God meant it for good.

[nChrist]

Humans are short-sighted and tend to thing about the here and now. As a contrast, God thinks about and knows about Eternity - past and future. We obviously can't know about all of God's Ways:

Isaiah 55:6-11 ASV Seek ye Jehovah while he may be found; call ye upon him while he is near: 7 let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return unto Jehovah, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith Jehovah. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, and giveth seed to the sower and bread to the eater; 11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

[~Clay]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

It is not possible for anyone to answer this question, other than God himself. Only he has the answer. It is like questions over a person who is born crippled or blind. Why did God make them that way? In Exodus 4:11, God says, "Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Why did he give one man 100 years, and allow another to die as a child? I believe God has a purpose in every child ever conceived, whether they die in the womb, or live a very long life. Remember that nobody really dies. We all live forever, though this body of clay may return to the ground until the time of the resurrection.

I wish I could give you a more satisfactory answer. I would suggest you ask the Lord to show you the reason? Over the years, when I have been unable to figure something out, that is what I did, and more times than not, I received an answer.

Good response.

[JohnD]

I used to ponder this same question. And it occurred to me the plain / simple answer is that God is the omniscientist. In his omniscience he knows when our ends (or translations from here to there) will take place. Place your trust in God. All creation declares he is trustworthy.

That's the simple answer.

The complicated answer is... complicated. But it is an answer to be considered and hopefully believed because it is true. It touches on many pet peeve doctrines / theologies and because it does I often hesitate to bring this up because it almost always ends up in a fuss fest of predestination versus free will and calvinists and armenians and lions and tigers and bears... oh my... oh brother...

First of all we must pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten us all (including yours truly) because what better way to hinder believers who satan cannot prevent from believing than to keep us ever quarreling and bickering? If we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves... what good is that in evangelizing the world? If even only the appearances of it? Why would someone want to give up their struggles in the world for struggles in the religious realm? I know many dear people who have thrown up their hands about faith and said "I'm just not up for the fight enough to be a Christian..." So sad. Pray for the full armor of God to be donned upon us all and that we submit to the tutelage of the Holy Spirit.

Amen.

Do not be so quick to go beyond the omniscience of God and all the implications of it. The OP mentioned abortion, so lets begin there.

Do all babies (who have not reached the age of accountability) go to heaven when they die?

You'd be surprised how many people (including great scholars and theologians) believe this with out a shred of evidence to back it up. I chalk this up to the affinity God gives us towards babies (for the survival of the human race if you think about it). This gets translated over into the general populace with regard to infant mortality. But if you carried this thinking to its logical conclusion, then abortion would be doing every baby a favor. Perish the thought! But what good would it do that individual baby to be born and to sin and go to hell if they do not get saved? ...if they would have certain salvation if they were killed before the age of accountability...

Would this not be another means of salvation? Jesus said no man comes to the Father but by him. And in Gethsemane Jesus begged if there be any other way than that he go to the cross and the answer from heaven was silence. Is prepubescent mortality really a way to get into heaven?

Hold on!

For those who have lost loved ones in that age range... there is another aspect of God's nature to consider before you give up all hope for those loved ones. And no it's not praying for the dead. That is a Mormon myth the same as paying for the dead is a Catholic myth.

God is omniscient. We get that. But have we considered all that this means?

God knows all things. When? Today? Tomorrow? Yesterday? And what about man's involvement / interference?

God is sovereign. And this is where some toes get stepped on in the doctrinal / theological realm... because some believe this means man has no choice and cannot resist the will of God. The evidence of man's choice is all around us and in many many texts of scripture when God himself appeals top man to CHOOSE life not death etc. What these folk miss is that God in his sovereignty has give mankind limited sovereignty (choice) dependent upon the millions of things that limit or oppose us. And this presents no problem for God in his orchestration of all things to produce his will and his desired results.

God in his omnipotence knows all things past, present, and future... AND all the possibilities given the choices of men and angels.

So, how does this help the parent whose aching empty arms and broken heart mourns for their lost child?

Or how does this help those who took the life of their child through legalized infanticide (abortion)?

Observe: God in his omniscience knows ahead of time if your baby would have believed in his Son Jesus Christ had your baby lived to make the choice.

And that is how you can know you will see them again in heaven.

What if they would not have chosen to believe in Jesus?

That is the dilemma ALL Christian parents face whether their children are living or dead. Which in itself proves man has a choice and God is not forcing himself upon anyone.