Does christmas have anything to do with Jesus

[~candice~]

Welcome to the Board Agopy!

Some things with Christmas are about Jesus, i.e. manger scenes, some Christmas carols (even if several are theologically inaccurate), church plays.

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I'm not hear to bash anyone just struggaling with some scripture that I have read that says not to do as the pagans do and just trying to get some diffrent opinions on what is consider pagan holidays. Was also wondering why we and why the church doesn't teach about the holidays they celebrated in the old testament or were they done away with at the cross.

Actually you can still celebrate many of the "OT" festivals, feasts etc etc, no reason why you couldn't today. Many messianic congregations do. I enjoy them. Much better than Christmas, because I hate theologically inaccurate carols, tinsels, and platitudes.

[nebula]

I like Christmas lights.

[j102]

I'm not hear to bash anyone just struggaling with some scripture that I have read that says not to do as the pagans do and just trying to get some diffrent opinions on what is consider pagan holidays. Was also wondering why we and why the church doesn't teach about the holidays they celebrated in the old testament or were they done away with at the cross.

there is nothing in and of itself that makes christmas a pagan holiday. it is what one does with that day. does one celebrate christmas because of tradition and to be with friends and family? if so there is nothing at all wrong with that. now if one is celebrating christmas because there pagan they arn't celebrating christmas but rather the winter solstice.

now as for the old testiment holidays they were for the jews as a remembrance of gods faithfullness and goodness. and the new testiment says that the sabbaths and holidays the jews celebrated were a "shadow" of what was to come, and the fufillment of those came through christ.

[Massorite]

Hi everone

I think I've or maybe we have been dicived by parents and the church about Christmas what's your thoughts on this issue ?

This subject comes up every year at this time and I get shot down pretty hard when I speak what my research has informed me. But I simply can't give up so here we go again.

If you would study Jewish custom you well find that the Jews in the days of Jesus and even the Jews of today do not celebrate birthdays. Because they consider the celebration of birthdays to a pagan ritual and since Jesus was a Jew who followed the laws and costums of Moses we know that Jesus also believed the same way. This is why there are only two biblically recorded birthday celebrations and both of them were done by non-believers/pagans and in both birthday celebrations a man was murdered at the command of the birthdayee as part of the birthday celebration.

There is no command by God to celebrate any birthday for any reason written anywhere in the bible and Jesus himself never celebrated his own birthday nor did he command us to celebrate his birthday. Not only that but the celebration of the birth of Christ as in Christmas was not celebrated for the first 300 years of the church.

Now most folks have the idea that if it is done for the right reasons then that makes it ok but one can call pagan ritual anything they want but it is still pagan ritual.

The biblical example I always use to show what God thinks about doing that which is wrong in the eyes of God with the seemingly right modivations is the story about the ark of the covenant on the cart. When King David was transporting the Ark of the Covenant back to the temple from Philistinian hands the cart hit a bump in the road and caused the Ark to wabble. So the driver of the Ark reached out to steady the Ark to keep it from falling to the ground and when he did God killed him at the very second his hand touched the Ark.

So, did the driver of the cart touch the Ark out of respect for God to keep it from falling to the ground? YES he did and he did it for the right reasons. But God commanded that no human would ever touch the Ark which is why there were polls used to transport it. So right reasons or not, disobeying a commandment from God is considered by God to be a sin against him.

Well the same kind of commandment applies to the use of pagan ritual to celebrate the birth of God in the flesh. We are commanded not to have anything to do with anything that has anything to do with Paganism. And when we use pagan ritual to honor and celebrate Our God we are actually slapping him in the face. If God wanted us to celebrate the birth of Jesus he would have told us to do it.

I wouldn't say that we were lied to by our parents because they were decieved by the church who lied to everyone. The Universal Church knew what they were doing and claimed that they were doing it for a good reason but in reality they adopted paganism into the church and compromised/corrupted not only the church but also the gospel of Jesus.

There is no proof in scripture that God respects the use of any pagan ritual to celebrate Christ just because it is the only time of the year that some folks talk about Jesus.

[OldShep]

I like Christmas lights.

Me To!

I know that Jesus was not born on Christmas Day, my parents informed me of this when I was about 7, however, they said this is the day we choose to honor the Birth of Jesus, for we no not the real date.

I was very up set to learn that Satan was not real.

Dennis

[~candice~]

I was very up set to learn that Satan was not real.

Satan is real, Santa is not. Kudos if you can tell the difference though .

[OneLight]

The Birth of Christ should be celebrated every day! Yet, since we are discussing one particular day, "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it."

[Jj Babu David]

Yes you are right bro

[Agopy]

I just can't find any were in the new testament any of the early believers celebrating Christ birthday or christmases so that's whats really confusing because I was told to follow what the bible says and not the world so I need to know if Christmas is biblical or worldly and if it is biblical where in the bible can I read up on it. Thanks for all your help and info so far

[nebula]

I just can't find any were in the new testament any of the early believers celebrating Christ birthday or christmases so that's whats really confusing because I was told to follow what the bible says and not the world so I need to know if Christmas is biblical or worldly and if it is biblical where in the bible can I read up on it. Thanks for all your help and info so far

It's not in there.

It's a tradition created sometime between the 2nd and 4th centuries.

It was created to replace "the birth of the sun" celebration with "the birth of the Son [of God]".