Could you vote for a Mormon in the Whitehouse?

[Guest]

The office is president, not preacher! Separate the two. I'm looking for someone with conservative values like I have. If I need to hear a sermon, I'll go to my church.

Absolutely I agree with the main sentiment there. I have more in common with Mormons, than I do with the current president, it terms of general outlook and philosophy. If I had my choice between two identical (in other respects) people, the fact that one is a Morman would give be pause, but what if one was Mormon, the other athiest let's say. I should probably consider that both (to my mind) have made a choice that makes me question their ability to reason clearly, and that is somewhat scary. Since the presidency rarely if ever, involves actions reagarding spiritual matters as part of the job, I am not too concerned.

I would love to see a sound, balanced evangelical in the position, but I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Compared to what the democratic party has offered since the mid 60's, I would take Romney (I assume that is the basis of this topic) over any of those.

I agree also with Miss Elly, that I wan't to see a conservative. Romney, however, is not a conservative, he is only a Republican, often not the same thing.

[He giveth more grace]

Extenuating circumstances.

Depends on what the alterative is and wheather a Mornon is the GOP nominee.

In other words, yes, if he is against Hussein Obama.

[oldzimm]

I would vote for..

Someone who...

Has no skeletons in their closet

Has not had an extramarital affair

Is not funded by big business

Is successful in business them self

Does not like dogs but buys a "family" dog to look good

Does not ride on the back of someone like Tebow to further their "Christian" credentials

Tells the truth most of the time

Does not have their own personal hairdresser, make up artist and manicurist

Does not think war is the solution to every foreign policy challenge

I don't think I can vote....

Sigh

Yeah I can see that you don't get to vote much. One thing is for sure Fez, Someday Jesus is coming back, I'm sure he can more then fill the bill and he won't have to run for office, nobody can stand-up to him. (everybody will be kneeling)

[OneLight]

I would vote for..

Someone who...

Has no skeletons in their closet

Has not had an extramarital affair

Is not funded by big business

Is successful in business them self

Does not like dogs but buys a "family" dog to look good

Does not ride on the back of someone like Tebow to further their "Christian" credentials

Tells the truth most of the time

Does not have their own personal hairdresser, make up artist and manicurist

Does not think war is the solution to every foreign policy challenge

I don't think I can vote....

Sigh

Yeah I can see that you don't get to vote much. One thing is for sure Fez, Someday Jesus is coming back, I'm sure he can more then fill the bill and he won't have to run for office, nobody can stand-up to him. (everybody will be kneeling)

Jesus doesn't like dogs??

[oldzimm]

I would vote for..

Someone who...

Has no skeletons in their closet

Has not had an extramarital affair

Is not funded by big business

Is successful in business them self

Does not like dogs but buys a "family" dog to look good

Does not ride on the back of someone like Tebow to further their "Christian" credentials

Tells the truth most of the time

Does not have their own personal hairdresser, make up artist and manicurist

Does not think war is the solution to every foreign policy challenge

I don't think I can vote....

Sigh

Yeah I can see that you don't get to vote much. One thing is for sure Fez, Someday Jesus is coming back, I'm sure he can more then fill the bill and he won't have to run for office, nobody can stand-up to him. (everybody will be kneeling)

Jesus doesn't like dogs??

I'm sure Fez can make an exception to the "Fez Rules For President".

[MorningGlory]

Mormans, according to Mormans that I know, believe......

That Jesus is the son of God

That Jesus went to South America, which is possible since he is God

In the bible

And in one other book, the book of Mormans, which does not deny Jesus.

They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, that God had a sexual union with Mary that resulted in the birth of Jesus, that a Mormon can become a god in their own right and that Joseph Smith was a prophet that brought God's final word. They seldom tell outsiders any of this. I wouldn't vote for someone whose head is that messed up.

[OneLight]

I am an independent voter. I follow no party line. What I see as a problem is that the one I lean toward, I question if he would beat Obama, whom I think is one of the worst presidents to date. (hold your anger - this is what I believe whether or not you agree)

What seems to be the focus to many is if the person could stand toe to toe in a debate and win. This may be what it takes, but that only speak to how sad our election process has become. I often wonder, as a whole, how many people actually research who they are voting for? Many people I have spoken with quote just what they see in the news or hear in debates and leave the research up to those who do the reporting.

[He giveth more grace]

Mormans, according to Mormans that I know, believe......

That Jesus is the son of God

That Jesus went to South America, which is possible since he is God

In the bible

And in one other book, the book of Mormans, which does not deny Jesus.

They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, that God had a sexual union with Mary that resulted in the birth of Jesus, that a Mormon can become a god in their own right and that Joseph Smith was a prophet that brought God's final word. They seldom tell outsiders any of this. I wouldn't vote for someone whose head is that messed up.

MorningGlory, is correct. They believe that Jesus is "a" god, but not God or the Son of God.

[winsomebulldog]

Well then, Cobalt, if you want to call my friend a liar, go ahead. I'm sorry for being so dogmatic and "all knowing" I hope you can forgive me, and I'll forgive you for calling my friends liars.

I don't remember calling anyone a liar. I am simply saying that if your Mormon friends say that they believe in the same Jesus that evangelical Christians believe in, that that is not true.

Jesus' death on the cross and resurrection paid for every sin a person committed, past, present and future. A Mormon believes that Jesus' death only paid for a persons past sins and that future sin dept is paid by works, and more specifically, by obeying the Mormon church. That is not what the Bible, or Christ taught. In Mormon doctrine, Jesus is used as a carrot on a stick to make Mormonism seem more mainstream and christian-like. The deeper you get into it, the less and less you hear about Jesus. This is not conjecture on my part, or the result of 3rd or 4th party talk, I have experienced it myself. Mormons prefer people with little or no religious background because they are easier to convince and less knowledgeable of who the Jesus of the Bible actually is. Mormons concentrate on their so-called prophets. Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and the current prophet of the Mormon church who is Thomas S. Monson.

Once again, for almost every endowment or other ceremony within the Mormon Temple, Mormons take an oath to not reveal anything that is said or done within the Temple to a non-Mormon. These oaths, almost every single one of them, have within them a component that wishes death upon the person if they reveal those secrets. The one below is an oath taken when one becomes a member of the Melchizedek priesthood. Mormons claim that they stopped using these oaths in 1990, but they still make them.

"I solemnly covenant in the name of the Son that I will never reveal the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood or Sign of the Nail, with its accompanying name,and sign and penalty. Rather than do so, I would suffer my life to be taken."

Ask your friends exactly what kind of ceremonies take place within the Temple for taking out one's endowments, for a Celestial (or sealing, or eternal) Marriage, for the Aaronic Priesthood, for the Melchizedek Priesthood, or for the youth groups who go there to do baptisms for the dead. Ask them how you get a Temple recommend. Better yet, ask them about their special protective underwear.

I only know a bit of the truth of the Mormon belief system. Which is rather amazing, considering my father's family has very deep roots within the faith. I mean the kind of roots that had my grandfather's name etched into the cornerstone of the new temple that was dedicated in Memphis in 2000. My grandfather was the first president of the Memphis Branch when it was organized in 1915. My mother was die-hard Southern Baptist and demanded that my father convert to Baptist from Mormonism before she would marry him. He did and was a practicing Baptist until his death in 1992. It never occurred to me to ask him questions about Mormonism. I never really even thought about it, since we were Baptists. Now that I'm older, and more mature in my own faith, I really wish he was still here for me to talk to about it.

I do know that they practice some very strange rituals. I am aware of the Celestial Marriage and the baptisms for the dead. I also know that their vast research into family histories is not simply because they find the topic interesting. The "special protective underwear" is a new one to me.

Honestly, I am convinced that ANY religion that requires a proverbial act of Congress just to get in the front door is closer to a cult. Never mind the rest of the crazy stuff they practice and believe. The secrecy alone is a giant red flag to me.

I have several family members who are still deeply involved in the "church." My second cousin is one of the top genealogists in their ranks. She was even involved in the show "Who Do You Think You Are?" It's a terrible shame that they are so heavily indoctrinated with all the lies.

As to the OP: I am uncomfortable with the idea of a Mormon in the White House because of what I know about the religion. However, I have serious doubts about the true "religiousness" (not sure that's even a word) of any career politician. I think they claim whatever they think we get them what they want. Look at the Obamas. They're supposed to be Christians, yet very rarely darken the door of any church. I'm not sure just how "Mormon" Romney actually is. Generally speaking, I think he's the wrong guy for the job for a lot of reasons. His chosen religion is only one problem I have with him.

[Guest]

.... if you want to call my friend a liar, go ahead....

Are Mormons Christians?

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6