Jesus>Religion

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Marriage?

[Matthitjah]

Man was created to have companionship, not only in Marriage.

Sin broke two relationships. man to God and man to man or human relations.

Looks liks this;

God

+

man

man + man

The realtionship broken was parallel on both planes vertical and horizontal.

Sin was total and complete in its effect on relationships.

God has come not only to redeeem and restore the broken relationship between man and God, but also between man and man. God created us familial creatures and not only in the direct way of family but as children of God. Remember sins effect was total so that all of mans relationships were effected.

The plan of God was to redeem man unto Himself so that there could be a restoration of what was truly lost. That restoration is not only the fellowship and relations of God to man, but also between mankind itself. That does mean Marriage yet it is not the only part of human relationship.

When we come into the family of God there are two relationships going on. God and man and man and man.

[OldShep]

Grace to you,

Can anyone explain what we were redeemed for?

Peace,

Dave

Well for me I was redeemed from Death to Life, I was redeemed from being a slave to sin, to a state of being able to say no to sin when I choose, I was alone and I was redeemed into the family of the Lord Jesus. So the person sitting next to me on that pew is my brother and sister in Christ. I was in the pit of Hell and He reach down and redeemed me, so that I could tell others of my new life and let them know that they to, could be saved, if they just believe in Jesus.

Sometimes a stranger is only a Friend you have not met yet, would you tell your friend something that could save their lives.

ICL Dennis

[mizzdy]

Man was created to have companionship, not only in Marriage.

Sin broke two relationships. man to God and man to man or human relations.

Looks liks this;

God

+

man

man + man

The realtionship broken was parallel on both planes vertical and horizontal.

Sin was total and complete in its effect on relationships.

God has come not only to redeeem and restore the broken relationship between man and God, but also between man and man. God created us familial creatures and not only in the direct way of family but as children of God. Remember sins effect was total so that all of mans relationships were effected.

The plan of God was to redeem man unto Himself so that there could be a restoration of what was truly lost. That restoration is not only the fellowship and relations of God to man, but also between mankind itself. That does mean Marriage yet it is not the only part of human relationship.

When we come into the family of God there are two relationships going on. God and man and man and man.

If we are reconciled back to God then the restoration of our relationships will follow. Can't say the world will follow but those we fellowship with, our families and such will benefit directly when we come into a right relationship with Him. I love the imagery of the tav, the nails that pierced Yeshua as the link between us and God only through Him. I'm posting of the fly so sorry if thats a repeat!

shalom,

Mizz

[Matthitjah]

Man was created to have companionship, not only in Marriage.

Sin broke two relationships. man to God and man to man or human relations.

Looks liks this;

God

+

man

man + man

The realtionship broken was parallel on both planes vertical and horizontal.

Sin was total and complete in its effect on relationships.

God has come not only to redeeem and restore the broken relationship between man and God, but also between man and man. God created us familial creatures and not only in the direct way of family but as children of God. Remember sins effect was total so that all of mans relationships were effected.

The plan of God was to redeem man unto Himself so that there could be a restoration of what was truly lost. That restoration is not only the fellowship and relations of God to man, but also between mankind itself. That does mean Marriage yet it is not the only part of human relationship.

When we come into the family of God there are two relationships going on. God and man and man and man.

If we are reconciled back to God then the restoration of our relationships will follow. Can't say the world will follow but those we fellowship with, our families and such will benefit directly when we come into a right relationship with Him. I love the imagery of the tav, the nails that pierced Yeshua as the link between us and God only through Him. I'm posting of the fly so sorry if thats a repeat!

shalom,

Mizz

Nope, not at all sis and thanks for sharing.

What I'm wondering is what the implications of this revelation are to the OP and some of the comments on Church.

[Michae]

As I grow more and more in my relationship with Christ, I've began to notice that Religion is totally wrong. It's roots are fine, I'm fine with being able to go and fellowship and learn about God but it's not all that Christ wanted us to do. This message is going to be short and sweet because I don't want to seem like I know it all, because I don't. But if you look at Matthew 28:16-20 you'll see what Jesus wants us to do as believers (This scripture is after Jesus had risen from the dead and came to meet up with the disciples).

"16 Then the eleven disciples left for Galilee, going to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.

17 When they saw him, they worshiped him—but some of them doubted!

18 Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

20 Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

How many churches do you know, teach, then tell them to go! I think if the church was biblical you wouldn't have many people in the church pews on Saturday or Sunday because they'd be out spreading the word.

This just some food for thought. Again I'm not saying going to church is bad, I'm just saying the way we do things sometimes isn't biblical.

For every hungry believer there comes a time when they will need more than just fellowship with other believers. They will wait before the Lord for that longing in their heart to know Him and to be satisfied. The Holy Spirit gives the hunger to know our Father and only our Father Himself can fill it. No amount of service, study, church attendance or even obedience can fill the void of wanting to know your Father.

Contrary to what others may say you need to do to fill your soul only your love for the Father and the indwelling Christ will ever complete a believer.

You have said right, the church is a body of believers made up of bonified offspring of God which have been birthed by the Father, the birthing takes place the moment you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior, no other way to salvation. That simple act on the Part of the Father is what we will spend the rest of our lives trying to figure out.

The church building is the place most are born again, they attend usally by an invitation from a friend or family member and they answer the call. The gathering together in a building has become the church to many, we referr to it as church and even feel guilty if we dont attend or miss a service but the church is really just another way the Father use's all things for His glory, its a womb for birthing His own children. Modern church building can not take a believer into the deep things of God, they have wonderful men and women who run them and love God but they can never take the place of your Father and they will in time have to give up their grip on you so you can move on in the Lord.

Its a shame that most that follow on to know the Lord will do this on their own, they will though in time meet other like minded believers that our Father cross's our path with. Those that trust the Father in solitude in time can be trusted with a deeper understanding of the things of God. Gal 4:1-2, your Father is not going to open up your mind until you are ready and the governors and tudors (circumstances and situations) have done there work in your life.

Edited January 22, 2012 by Michae