POLL: Will you vote for Obama?

[gdemoss]

It is absolutely amazing to me that in America the people vote in their leadership through the system currently in place but every election, the men that God chooses to lead this nation are always elected. His sovereignty over the kingdoms of the world is awesome. Who has control over the lying spirits? Who has power to effect physical change in the world to guide men to do his will? Who has set the stage for the Antichrist to rule? It isn't Satan that's for sure. Our Father God assigns men kingdoms and rents them away at will through his Almighty hand.

Come Lord Jesus, rule and reign over us...

Gary

[nebula]

I don't hate you but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you politically. I don't think a rightwing Republican President would be good either for the US or the world, slthough I'd be happy to see a President Paul. So I see no problem in being amused at the farcical nature of these primaries or Santorum's unelectability

But you said you would rejoice in the apoplexy of those here. Rejoicing in our misfortune is not an act of love.

Jade expressed my thoughts, so my response to you, amor, is : "What Jade said."

[ByFaithAlone]

You probably will be ROFL when the US goes belly up because of the deficit he has put us in. You may also find yourself in the same position when we are no longer a free nation, but a Socialist nation. This is what I find disturbing.

Great use of a slippery slope argument.... Come on OneLight... seriously? Electing Obama yields automatic US collapse, loss of all of our freedoms and socialism? Let's be at least somewhat realistic here. BTW, if you are worried about your freedoms, you should oppose about half of the "national security" legislation put through by the "conservative" President Bush and supported by Santorum, Romney and Gingrich (notable exception being Paul). If you are worried about the deficit, stop electing people who overspend on foreign undeclared wars without UN approval or evidence of a threat (cough cough the Pres. Bush) that cost this country billions. If you don't want socialism, then don't vote for the Socialist Party (they don't appear on most ballots)!

[ByFaithAlone]

You took delight in our apoplexy, your own words. That is not the same as delighting in his victory. Celebrating obama's loss is not the same as taking delight in how upset his supporters would be.

First off, I think this has been way over thought. Amor was merely making a joke about how upset people would get if Obama won reelection, which he probably will. He's right! A lot of people on this forum will get upset if Obama wins... it's that simple. Now you say that "celebrating obama's loss is not the same as taking delight in how upset his supporters would be." I respectfully disagree. Celebrate is to be happy about something. Loss implies a loser (and his supporters) which will be upset about losing. Therefore, you are celebrating something that has made someone else upset. To put it in your words, "YOU do not have love when you delight in our misfortune." Sorry to point this out, but everyone delights when their side wins and the other side loses. We are imperfect people. It sounds really hypocritical to me when you say that you do not.

[OneLight]

You probably will be ROFL when the US goes belly up because of the deficit he has put us in. You may also find yourself in the same position when we are no longer a free nation, but a Socialist nation. This is what I find disturbing.

Great use of a slippery slope argument.... Come on OneLight... seriously? Electing Obama yields automatic US collapse, loss of all of our freedoms and socialism? Let's be at least somewhat realistic here. BTW, if you are worried about your freedoms, you should oppose about half of the "national security" legislation put through by the "conservative" President Bush and supported by Santorum, Romney and Gingrich (notable exception being Paul). If you are worried about the deficit, stop electing people who overspend on foreign undeclared wars without UN approval or evidence of a threat (cough cough the Pres. Bush) that cost this country billions. If you don't want socialism, then don't vote for the Socialist Party (they don't appear on most ballots)!

Honestly, I don't agree with a lot of what has happened since I old enough to know what the government was about. That started around the Vietnam war ...

You don't see Obama whittling away at our rights as a citizen to choose by his mandates? You seem to be on fire to accuse me of things you have no idea about. Tell me, who did I vote for? What is it I seek in an elected person? What do I hold dear to my heart pertaining to how I want this nation to go?

Open your eyes BFA and see the light. You know nothing about me, and it seems you know little about Obama.

[ByFaithAlone]

You probably will be ROFL when the US goes belly up because of the deficit he has put us in. You may also find yourself in the same position when we are no longer a free nation, but a Socialist nation. This is what I find disturbing.

Great use of a slippery slope argument.... Come on OneLight... seriously? Electing Obama yields automatic US collapse, loss of all of our freedoms and socialism? Let's be at least somewhat realistic here. BTW, if you are worried about your freedoms, you should oppose about half of the "national security" legislation put through by the "conservative" President Bush and supported by Santorum, Romney and Gingrich (notable exception being Paul). If you are worried about the deficit, stop electing people who overspend on foreign undeclared wars without UN approval or evidence of a threat (cough cough the Pres. Bush) that cost this country billions. If you don't want socialism, then don't vote for the Socialist Party (they don't appear on most ballots)!

Honestly, I don't agree with a lot of what has happened since I old enough to know what the government was about. That started around the Vietnam war ...

You don't see Obama whittling away at our rights as a citizen to choose by his mandates? You seem to be on fire to accuse me of things you have no idea about. Tell me, who did I vote for? What is it I seek in an elected person? What do I hold dear to my heart pertaining to how I want this nation to go?

Open your eyes BFA and see the light. You know nothing about me, and it seems you know little about Obama.

First off, this does not address the slippery slope issue at all... you seem to believe that electing Obama will lead to a downfall in society as we know it, automatic loss of our freedoms and socialism without proving any logical reasons at to why that will actually happen or if it even is likely to happen.

Secondly, it is true that I don't know how you have voted in the past. I apologize if my arguments seemed pointed extensively at you in particular. When I said, "you," I was referring to the "conservatives" in general who have elected multiple people in the past who did not stand up for the values they claim to hold. I also based my criticism on the fact that in the poll you specifically say that you will not be voting for Obama. As we are part of a two party system, if your vote is to count for basically anything, you will have to vote GOP (simple logic unless you want your vote ignored if you vote for some small party that has no chance of winning, in which case....). Most likely this means Romney or Santorum (the leaders in the GOP primary race). You would therefore be supporting people who do support the foreign undeclared wars without UN approval or evidence of a threat and excessive military spending.

Lastly, you claim I know little about Obama. Although I will grant, it is possible and maybe even probable that you know more about Obama than I do, you offer no evidence to support your slippery slope claims from earlier. If you want me to believe them, at least provide some evidence.

[other one]

It is absolutely amazing to me that in America the people vote in their leadership through the system currently in place but every election, the men that God chooses to lead this nation are always elected. His sovereignty over the kingdoms of the world is awesome. Who has control over the lying spirits? Who has power to effect physical change in the world to guide men to do his will? Who has set the stage for the Antichrist to rule? It isn't Satan that's for sure. Our Father God assigns men kingdoms and rents them away at will through his Almighty hand.

Come Lord Jesus, rule and reign over us...

Gary

If that's the way things are, then why does the book of Revelation tell us that the kingdom of this world becomes the Kingdom of our Lord at the blowing of the seventh trumpet. Keep in mind that although the Lord has the capability of exercising his authority over this world, he does not until that trumpet blows. What makes this world go right now is our free will, and the more of us that align our free will with Satan, the more authority he has in this world.

Jesus is not the only person in the world that Satan has offered kingdoms to to worship him.... however, Jesus is the only one I am sure told him no

[gdemoss]

It is absolutely amazing to me that in America the people vote in their leadership through the system currently in place but every election, the men that God chooses to lead this nation are always elected. His sovereignty over the kingdoms of the world is awesome. Who has control over the lying spirits? Who has power to effect physical change in the world to guide men to do his will? Who has set the stage for the Antichrist to rule? It isn't Satan that's for sure. Our Father God assigns men kingdoms and rents them away at will through his Almighty hand.

Come Lord Jesus, rule and reign over us...

Gary

If that's the way things are, then why does the book of Revelation tell us that the kingdom of this world becomes the Kingdom of our Lord at the blowing of the seventh trumpet. Keep in mind that although the Lord has the capability of exercising his authority over this world, he does not until that trumpet blows. What makes this world go right now is our free will, and the more of us that align our free will with Satan, the more authority he has in this world.

Jesus is not the only person in the world that Satan has offered kingdoms to to worship him.... however, Jesus is the only one I am sure told him no

You may believe that God is not the one placing leaders in authority but it is true. When they become the kingdoms of our Lord at the blowing of the trumpet is when the actual ruling with an iron fist will begin. Not just the placement of leadership but the sole direction of all governing. Big difference.

The Kings heart is in the hand of the Lord and there is no authority in heaven or earth that isn't given by God.

Gary

[OneLight]

You probably will be ROFL when the US goes belly up because of the deficit he has put us in. You may also find yourself in the same position when we are no longer a free nation, but a Socialist nation. This is what I find disturbing.

Great use of a slippery slope argument.... Come on OneLight... seriously? Electing Obama yields automatic US collapse, loss of all of our freedoms and socialism? Let's be at least somewhat realistic here. BTW, if you are worried about your freedoms, you should oppose about half of the "national security" legislation put through by the "conservative" President Bush and supported by Santorum, Romney and Gingrich (notable exception being Paul). If you are worried about the deficit, stop electing people who overspend on foreign undeclared wars without UN approval or evidence of a threat (cough cough the Pres. Bush) that cost this country billions. If you don't want socialism, then don't vote for the Socialist Party (they don't appear on most ballots)!

Honestly, I don't agree with a lot of what has happened since I old enough to know what the government was about. That started around the Vietnam war ...

You don't see Obama whittling away at our rights as a citizen to choose by his mandates? You seem to be on fire to accuse me of things you have no idea about. Tell me, who did I vote for? What is it I seek in an elected person? What do I hold dear to my heart pertaining to how I want this nation to go?

Open your eyes BFA and see the light. You know nothing about me, and it seems you know little about Obama.

First off, this does not address the slippery slope issue at all... you seem to believe that electing Obama will lead to a downfall in society as we know it, automatic loss of our freedoms and socialism without proving any logical reasons at to why that will actually happen or if it even is likely to happen.

It has already. Please don't tell me that you have been sleeping for the past three years.

Secondly, it is true that I don't know how you have voted in the past. I apologize if my arguments seemed pointed extensively at you in particular. When I said, "you," I was referring to the "conservatives" in general who have elected multiple people in the past who did not stand up for the values they claim to hold. I also based my criticism on the fact that in the poll you specifically say that you will not be voting for Obama. As we are part of a two party system, if your vote is to count for basically anything, you will have to vote GOP (simple logic unless you want your vote ignored if you vote for some small party that has no chance of winning, in which case....). Most likely this means Romney or Santorum (the leaders in the GOP primary race). You would therefore be supporting people who do support the foreign undeclared wars without UN approval or evidence of a threat and excessive military spending.

My answer was that I would not vote for Obama. You read a lot into that which you shouldn't. You were right when you said you don't know how I vote. You should of left it at that instead of then going on to tell me about the results of how I will vote.

Lastly, you claim I know little about Obama. Although I will grant, it is possible and maybe even probable that you know more about Obama than I do, you offer no evidence to support your slippery slope claims from earlier. If you want me to believe them, at least provide some evidence.

I will not list the infractions and insults to the US he has made over the past three years. They are too many. I have done my homework. I pray you do yours before you vote.

[ByFaithAlone]

I will not list the infractions and insults to the US he has made over the past three years. They are too many. I have done my homework. I pray you do yours before you vote.

I am still waiting on that evidence... saying you have it and then not providing it doesn't count in my book. Sorry but I simply disagree with you on many of these issues and you have provided me no evidence to support your claims, so I find it somewhat insulting that you accuse me of not doing my homework. In debate there is something known as the burden of proof which belongs to the person affirming the claim. As you are affirming these grandiose claims, please fulfill your burden. Thanks