Should We Be Covered Or Not?

[Denise37]

Recently I had heard something there are some Christians who believe it doesn't matter whether we are wearing clothes or not this even includes walking in town and in public.

There argument is that when God created Adam and Eve they were created with no clothes on. That in Genesis 1 God saw that this was good.

They say that the guilt by wearing clothes is a message from Satan because when they think they need to wear clothes they are covering up God's creation.

In your opinion and what you believe the Bible says do you think it's ok for everyone to walk around with NO clothing this includes all ages of people,...

babies, children, teens, adults and elderly. This includes about nudist camps.

What would Jesus say about these things?

In my opinion, no.. Adam & Eve didn't even realize they were naked, till they had ate from The Tree of Knowledge.. As the world is slowly coming to an end, satan knows his time is running out, in my opinion, he would more than likely try to tempt us with fornication & adultery.. Plus, if there's already so many child molesters & rapist in neighborhoods, imagine what would happen if we all juss decided to be naked?? I'm sry, but I juss have a feeling that God would not approve of this..

Now if u decide to praise Him nakedly, do it behind close doors.. Would some1 really want that personal connection with God, to be shared with every1? "But you, when you pray, go into your room, & when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; & your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly" Matt. 6:6 KJV

I hope I helped.. May God Bless u

[gdemoss]

This just reminded me of David and his response to Michal when she blasted him for only wearing an ephod saying that he was practically naked. He replied "I will be more vile than this".

Gary

[nebula]

This just reminded me of David and his response to Michal when she blasted him for only wearing an ephod saying that he was practically naked. He replied "I will be more vile than this".

Gary

Ephods are what the priests wore - see here

Not sure which version you are using that has the word "vile"?

[gdemoss]

This just reminded me of David and his response to Michal when she blasted him for only wearing an ephod saying that he was practically naked. He replied "I will be more vile than this".

Gary

Ephods are what the priests wore - see here

Not sure which version you are using that has the word "vile"?

yes, ephods are what the priest wore and it seems that God told the Israelites that they needed to wear underwear beneath them so they didn't expose themselves. Vile, is in the KJV. Ex 28:42

Gary

[Guest Butero]

This just reminded me of David and his response to Michal when she blasted him for only wearing an ephod saying that he was practically naked. He replied "I will be more vile than this".

Gary

Ephods are what the priests wore - see here

Not sure which version you are using that has the word "vile"?

yes, ephods are what the priest wore and it seems that God told the Israelites that they needed to wear underwear beneath them so they didn't expose themselves. Vile, is in the KJV. Ex 28:42

Gary

She didn't mean naked in the literal sense. She meant that his actions of dancing with all his might before the people made him look foolish and weak. She meant naked in that sense. The Bible in other places speaks of the land appearing naked, and that meant there were weaknesses in the nation that could be exploited by it's enemies. This has absolutely nothing to do with naked in the sense of being without clothes.

[other one]

the two words translated nakedness in this scripture sure seem to me to be talking about flesh showing which is nakedness in uncovered bodies.

OT:1320

basar (baw-sawr'); from OT:1319; flesh (from its freshness); by extension, body, person; also (by euphem.) the pudenda of a man:

KJV - body, [fat, lean] flesh [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, nakednessself,, skin.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

OT:6172

`ervah (er-vaw'); from OT:6168; nudity, literally (especially the pudenda) or figuratively (disgrace, blemish):

KJV - nakedness, shame, unclean (-ness).

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

[mizzdy]

Recently I had heard something there are some Christians who believe it doesn't matter whether we are wearing clothes or not this even includes walking in town and in public.

There argument is that when God created Adam and Eve they were created with no clothes on. That in Genesis 1 God saw that this was good.

They say that the guilt by wearing clothes is a message from Satan because when they think they need to wear clothes they are covering up God's creation.

In your opinion and what you believe the Bible says do you think it's ok for everyone to walk around with NO clothing this includes all ages of people,...

babies, children, teens, adults and elderly. This includes about nudist camps.

What would Jesus say about these things?

We really do not know what Adam and Eve's 'nakedness' was like, were they shining bright like Moses face because they actually walked with Him? Was their nakedness like ours, something I doubt myself. All that God created was good, it was mans choice that wasn't. But instead of killing them off He showed them His grace and mercy and 'covered' them with a blood sacrifice and gave them another 'skin' to cover themselves. Since God, and Yeshua has given us coverings I would say in our society prone to all its sins man should indeed cover themselves. Theres nothing wrong with our skin, our nudity between our spouses yet since He did cover us we should stay with the example God gaves us.

shalom,

Mizz

[gdemoss]

This just reminded me of David and his response to Michal when she blasted him for only wearing an ephod saying that he was practically naked. He replied "I will be more vile than this".

Gary

Ephods are what the priests wore - see here

Not sure which version you are using that has the word "vile"?

yes, ephods are what the priest wore and it seems that God told the Israelites that they needed to wear underwear beneath them so they didn't expose themselves. Vile, is in the KJV. Ex 28:42

Gary

She didn't mean naked in the literal sense. She meant that his actions of dancing with all his might before the people made him look foolish and weak. She meant naked in that sense. The Bible in other places speaks of the land appearing naked, and that meant there were weaknesses in the nation that could be exploited by it's enemies. This has absolutely nothing to do with naked in the sense of being without clothes.

Thank you for challenging me on this. I have returned to the scripture for a clearer understanding. I read through many of the uses of the word 'naked' in at least three different Hebrew words and found them all to be speaking of actual nakedness but sometimes used in a figurative way or spiritual sense to describe Israel or Judah and their poor condition. The text in question uses a term that is used in scripture many times in conjunction with nakedness as it is the act of being uncovered or uncovering something. Your interpretation doesn't fit the usage of the word. Lets look at the scripture itself.

How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

So his wife points out that he is making himself look foolish and weak?

• uncovered himself as one of the vain fellows shamelessly
  
• in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants
  

As some guy who has no shame bares his flesh.

She is worried about the eyes of the handmaids not the eyes of all in the kingdom that he might look weak and foolish to.

You can continue believing that it isn't what it says it is but I am solidified in my understanding of it and see the extreme humility of David before the Lord in abasing himself in front of all who would see him. I applaud him and wonder how I myself have abased myself before the Lord. it is obvious to me that David loved God more than anyone else including himself. We should be careful to note 'who' is speaking at any given time in the bible. Davids wife was a jealous and foolish woman.

Gary

[Guest Butero]

the two words translated nakedness in this scripture sure seem to me to be talking about flesh showing which is nakedness in uncovered bodies.

OT:1320

basar (baw-sawr'); from OT:1319; flesh (from its freshness); by extension, body, person; also (by euphem.) the pudenda of a man:

KJV - body, [fat, lean] flesh [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, nakednessself,, skin.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

OT:6172

`ervah (er-vaw'); from OT:6168; nudity, literally (especially the pudenda) or figuratively (disgrace, blemish):

KJV - nakedness, shame, unclean (-ness).

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

The word that was used was the Hebrew word gulah, and it means several things. Nudity is one possible definition, but so is disgraceful, to reveal, advertise, appear, bewray, disclose, discover, exile, remove, reveal, shamelessly, shew, uncover. The word used in the passage wasn't translated to naked. The word was uncovered. It is found in 2 Samuel 6:20, where it says, "Then David returned to bless his household, and Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself." If you go back to verse 16, you can see what David did to cause Michal to say this. It says, "And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD, and she despised him in her heart." This had nothing to do with what he was wearing, but his behavior. It is pretty plain if you look at it in context.

[Guest Butero]

This just reminded me of David and his response to Michal when she blasted him for only wearing an ephod saying that he was practically naked. He replied "I will be more vile than this".

Gary

Ephods are what the priests wore - see here

Not sure which version you are using that has the word "vile"?

yes, ephods are what the priest wore and it seems that God told the Israelites that they needed to wear underwear beneath them so they didn't expose themselves. Vile, is in the KJV. Ex 28:42

Gary

She didn't mean naked in the literal sense. She meant that his actions of dancing with all his might before the people made him look foolish and weak. She meant naked in that sense. The Bible in other places speaks of the land appearing naked, and that meant there were weaknesses in the nation that could be exploited by it's enemies. This has absolutely nothing to do with naked in the sense of being without clothes.

Thank you for challenging me on this. I have returned to the scripture for a clearer understanding. I read through many of the uses of the word 'naked' in at least three different Hebrew words and found them all to be speaking of actual nakedness but sometimes used in a figurative way or spiritual sense to describe Israel or Judah and their poor condition. The text in question uses a term that is used in scripture many times in conjunction with nakedness as it is the act of being uncovered or uncovering something. Your interpretation doesn't fit the usage of the word. Lets look at the scripture itself.

How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

So his wife points out that he is making himself look foolish and weak?

• uncovered himself as one of the vain fellows shamelessly
  
• in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants
  

As some guy who has no shame bares his flesh.

She is worried about the eyes of the handmaids not the eyes of all in the kingdom that he might look weak and foolish to.

You can continue believing that it isn't what it says it is but I am solidified in my understanding of it and see the extreme humility of David before the Lord in abasing himself in front of all who would see him. I applaud him and wonder how I myself have abased myself before the Lord. it is obvious to me that David loved God more than anyone else including himself. We should be careful to note 'who' is speaking at any given time in the bible. Davids wife was a jealous and foolish woman.

Gary

That is fine if you believe that Gary, but go back to verse 16 of the same passage and see what caused Michal to despise David. It wasn't his lack of clothing, but the fact he was leaping and dancing. To me, it is obvious that uncovered is used in a figurative sense. Either way, you can clearly see humility, as David was not ashamed to praise God openly, so if humility is the lesson you find in the passage, I would agree with you. I just don't see how his going around nearly naked brings glory to God?