Some wives need to be beaten

[wondering04]

Yes, we are to be obedient to our husbands and our husbands are the spiritual heads of the family, and Ephesians 5: 22-33 indicates. But two important verses in this equation are: Eph 5: 25 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her," In other words, Christ put his life on the line for the church, and husbands are to emulate that for their wives.

Also Eph 5:28 "So husbands ought to loe their own wives as their own bodies, he who loves his wife, loves himself."

If a husband deals with his wife in love and protects her, cares for her, and takes care of her, the obedience to the husband flows naturally. If the husband is treating his wife as Christ treats us, she will follow him to the ends of the earth.

Heather

[Az_]

In addition to the earlier proverbs mentioned there are the following.

Prov 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Prov 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. (actually there are numerous occaisions of children dying from a beating)

Prov 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Prov 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Now while I expect those here to reject the reading of these verses as a call to beat your children indiscriminantly there are sects the believe they indicate that children should be beaten on a regular basis.

Now to be specific beating a person is an effective way to drive a message into their minds. But the message is not the only thing driven into their minds. They learn that violence is an effective way to force your desires on a situation. They learn that if you cannot figure out a civilized way of dealing with a problem it is ok to overpower your opposition with violence.

The reason beating does have an effect on a lesson is because the mind stores such things weighted with the emotional relevance of the incident. Thus if someone casually mentions in passing that something is wrong the mind will not strongly recall the lesson. Beating raises the emotional level in a brutal way. Yes it works. But it carries far too many malignant consequences with it. We have minds. Solve the problem. Figure out how to make the matter important without having to resort to violence.

[larryt]

there is a difference in using a rod for correction and beatings which are abusive.

That is why I used the word "spanking." I aggree with you Yod.

LT

[other one]

Claiming women naturally want to be controlled by men, the cleric declared, "Allah has created woman, whether Muslim or infidel, so she is happy under a strong man who will protect her and lives with her."

I have never met a woman that wanted to be controlled by anyone male or female. I do know a lot that want to be taken care of by a mate, but that's a far stretch from being controlled.

I can just see me if I decided to give my wife the rod...... six big mean brothers.... I'll bet her dad would come back from the grave if it were possible....

There is no reason whatsoever to raise a hand to a spouse of either sex except for defense if the other one goes nuts. As for kids, spankings when they are young, but beatings....... no not for any reason. Yod is pretty accurate on this as far as I am concerned.

[FaithfulFollower]

It is sad to hear such things being encouraged in other countries. Yet, sadly that does not mean that such beliefs are held within the U.S. as well as this world today. Unfortunately there is a once dear friend of mine that holds such beliefs, not only that a husband is entitled to correct his wife of wrong doings as is written within the bible in the Old Testament, but also that she would be entitled to defend herself against him, if not strike back should the one whom is called her significant other do such to her.

Unfortunately not many know or accept the love of Jesus to know that such actions as well as thoughts are wrong.

One of my favorite passages regarding how a woman/wife is to be treated within the New Testament is that of Ephesians 5:21-28

Ephesians 5:21-28 Further, you will submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. You wives will submit to your husbands as you do to the Lord. For a husband is of his wife as Christ is the head of his body, the church; he gave his life to be her Savior. As the church submits to Christ, so you wives must submit to your husbands in everything. And you husbands must love your wives with the same love Christ showed for the church. He gave his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by baptism and God's word. He did this to present herself to him as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault. In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they do their own bodies. For a man is actually loving himself when loving his wife.

A man who has issue/lack of love for himself is more than likely to be one who does such things to his wife. As stated within God's word a man is to love his wife as he would his own body. My apologies if I have ruffled any feathers.

With Love In Christ,

Danielle

[Leonard]

Jesus Christ Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner

Women are physically punished in cultures all around the world. Whether WE think it is right or wrong, THEY think it is right and just and needful. What I have observed is that among Christians, women have a much higher status, and severe BEATINGS are not tolerated by the Christian community. However in Islam and most heathen places, a man could literally beat his wife TO DEATH and there would be no cultural or legal repercussions.

With a blessing,

Leonard, a sinner

[LOVE SONGS]

Physical abuse is bad .........in time the wounds will heal on the body.

But the mental scars from abuse ,can only be repaired over time by....GOD only. GOD does put the pieces back together, if one allows HIM to.( healing of the mind)

LOVE and PEACE to everyone, :hug:

[Ovedya]

With regard to spaking children, I think it's important to note that our definition of "beating" today varies greatly with that of the Biblical era. Today we use the term "beating" to descrie a merciless pummeling of another person. "Spanking" is the most appropriate term to use today with regard to disciplining children.

I disagree with you, Az, that spanking children teaches them violence. In fact, there is increasing evidence that spanking coupled with instruction, is effective in behavior modification (for lack of a better term). Studies have also shown that parents who do not regularly discipline their children have trouble with authority and frequently get into a lot of trouble. In fact, children who are not disciplined by their parents often intentionally get into trouble just so they can be disciplined.

As far as this Muslim clreic goes. I think it's safe to say that he's preaching from what the Koran says. To me this just places the Koran and the Bible and the Koran further apart in terms of truth and light. The God I serve would never tell me to beat my wife.

[Az_]

I was not raising the question of spanking. I was refering to the far more brutal act of whipping them with a rod.

I will agree that there may be some effect to spanking and that done within reason it may not convey the notion that violence solves problems(I still recommend against it though but that is personal opinion). But the sects that hold to beating a child with a rod do not do so in conjunction with moderation. It becomes a regular act. Injuries occur. Death. I think we can agree that this level of beating is beyond reason.

[dgolvach]

My wife would open up a severe can of whip-BLEEP on this cleric. Then she would rip his beard out. I ain't kidding!! He would be having his rod for lunch.

Dan