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Sharia law was brought up so I figured Id share some info. The law is the power of sin.

Corinthians 15:56 "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law."

The dragon gives its power to the beast.

Revelations 13:4 "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

There are four forms of law that govern the world, civil, common, sharia, and customary, of course there are many branches of law but they all share root. These four are composed of the laws of nations and kingdoms since the Babylonian codex of "Hammurabi" Nimrod.

Babylon the harlot sits on many waters which are nations.

Revelations 17:5 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

Just some thoughts that came to mind to share.

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Another new book was just reviewed on the problem: SILENCE; HOW APOSTASY AND BLASPHEMY CODES ARE CHOKING FREEDOM WORLDWIDE.

As for forgiveness--justification, which drives all this religion is doing. The comments above are very worthy. I add 2 things to sharpen it.

1, the belief that the resurrection was faked. The significance of this is not its anti-miraculous stance, or anti-supernaturalness, because there is plenty of that in Islam. The rub is that the resurrection is the proof that justification from our sins has been accomplished by Christ. This we know from Acts 13's sermon and from the grammar of Rom. 4's ending. He was crucified for (because) of our sins and resurrected because our justification was accomplished. No wonder it is essential for them to believe it was faked.

2, the belief that merit cannot be transfered. We are not very well versed on justification by an imputed or credited righteousness, but we sure need to be! Once again, ignore how this is (not) done, and look at why. If a person can be justified by an outside righteousness, an outside crediting, the incentive for the really extreme actions by the follower just collapse. The post above about really securing proof of salvation through sacrifice for the jihad is very important. The moderate masses endure the dismal life of never knowing. And the leaders know they have to intercept a male's sexual awakening, so the reward of a mansionful of adoring virgins for their extreme act answers that. I have read that this does not have to intercept at that point to work either. That's why there are fathers in jihad, sometimes because of disliking their wive(s), or sometimes the male inability to accept the responsibility of life-long parenting.

Anyway, it is very unfortunate that the Church is weak on what imputed righteousness is about just as Islam is gaining popularity and denying it. It is very easy to be cynical and discredit a god who is willing to impute infinite righteousness to a sinner who believes. The best way to treat that is to remind people that Christianity is a works religion, too: Christ's, not ours! Credited, not performed. This is an astonishing discovery for most people.

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Well unless you're a Calvinist, you do have to accept it.

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But, God told Moses .....to continue to do what God instructed, for all generations to come.

Until, Jesus was the lamb of God slain.... for the forgiveness of sins ,for all mankind.

No, He didn't say that.


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But, God told Moses .....to continue to do what God instructed, for all generations to come.

Until, Jesus was the lamb of God slain.... for the forgiveness of sins ,for all mankind.

No, He didn't say that.

Yeah He didn't. Can you direct me to scripture where you think He did?


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But, God told Moses .....to continue to do what God instructed, for all generations to come.

Until, Jesus was the lamb of God slain.... for the forgiveness of sins ,for all mankind.

No, He didn't say that.

Yeah He didn't. Can you direct me to scripture where you think He did?

Exodus 29 : 14

14- But the flesh of the bull , with its skin and its offal,

you shall burn with fire outside the camp.

It is a sin offering.

God is giving moses His instructions , on what to do ...and what the people should do concerning the offerings.

In this same chapter , God says ...

still He is speaking of animals here...

Exodus 29: 41-42

41- And the other lamb you shall offer at twilight ;

and you shall offer with it the grain offering and the drink offering,

as in the morning, for a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to

the Lord.

42- This shall be a continual burt offering throughout your generations

at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the Lord,

where I will meet you to speak with you.

Even if the tabernacle was destroyed ...Gods" instructions still remained .

Until His Son became the Lamb of God , Jesus was became the sin offering ,

He died so we can be forgiven of our sins.

My point of all this is...the people of the Middle East... Jerusalem/ Israel have

the old testament, and they know and believe that God used Moses....and God gave Moses

instructions for the people to live by, for all generations to come.

And some don't believe in Jesus dying for our sins , by crucifixion and that He was not the Son of God.

As I wondered , if they were still slaying animals so they can be forgiven by God ? Since they don't believe

in Jesus' death on the cross.

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But, God told Moses .....to continue to do what God instructed, for all generations to come.

Until, Jesus was the lamb of God slain.... for the forgiveness of sins ,for all mankind.

No, He didn't say that.

Yeah He didn't. Can you direct me to scripture where you think He did?

Exodus 29 : 14

14- But the flesh of the bull , with its skin and its offal,

you shall burn with fire outside the camp.

It is a sin offering.

God is giving moses His instructions , on what to do ...and what the people should do concerning the offerings.

In this same chapter , God says ...

still He is speaking of animals here...

Exodus 29: 41-42

41- And the other lamb you shall offer at twilight ;

and you shall offer with it the grain offering and the drink offering,

as in the morning, for a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to

the Lord.

42- This shall be a continual burt offering throughout your generations

at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the Lord,

where I will meet you to speak with you.

Even if the tabernacle was destroyed ...Gods" instructions still remained .

Until His Son became the Lamb of God , Jesus was became the sin offering ,

He died so we can be forgiven of our sins.

My point of all this is...the people of the Middle East... Jerusalem/ Israel have

the old testament, and they know and believe that God used Moses....and God gave Moses

instructions for the people to live by, for all generations to come.

And some don't believe in Jesus dying for our sins , by crucifixion and that He was not the Son of God.

As I wondered , if they were still slaying animals so they can be forgiven by God ? Since they don't believe

in Jesus' death on the cross.

Those texts don't tell the whole story, though. In other places they were told that they could only sacrifice at the place where God put His Name. There was a set procedure where it could only take place with temple and the necessary elements, like the altar, the holy of holies, et al..

But to answer your question more directly, they are not sacrificing animals. They can't without a temple. The temple mount is occupiied by a blasphemous and abomnible mosque. After the temple was destroyed, they turned to the works of the Torah as their means of atonement.


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But, God told Moses .....to continue to do what God instructed, for all generations to come.

Until, Jesus was the lamb of God slain.... for the forgiveness of sins ,for all mankind.

No, He didn't say that.

Yeah He didn't. Can you direct me to scripture where you think He did?

Exodus 29 : 14

14- But the flesh of the bull , with its skin and its offal,

you shall burn with fire outside the camp.

It is a sin offering.

God is giving moses His instructions , on what to do ...and what the people should do concerning the offerings.

In this same chapter , God says ...

still He is speaking of animals here...

Exodus 29: 41-42

41- And the other lamb you shall offer at twilight ;

and you shall offer with it the grain offering and the drink offering,

as in the morning, for a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to

the Lord.

42- This shall be a continual burt offering throughout your generations

at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the Lord,

where I will meet you to speak with you.

Even if the tabernacle was destroyed ...Gods" instructions still remained .

Until His Son became the Lamb of God , Jesus was became the sin offering ,

He died so we can be forgiven of our sins.

My point of all this is...the people of the Middle East... Jerusalem/ Israel have

the old testament, and they know and believe that God used Moses....and God gave Moses

instructions for the people to live by, for all generations to come.

And some don't believe in Jesus dying for our sins , by crucifixion and that He was not the Son of God.

As I wondered , if they were still slaying animals so they can be forgiven by God ? Since they don't believe

in Jesus' death on the cross.

Those texts don't tell the whole story, though. In other places they were told that they could only sacrifice at the place where God put His Name. There was a set procedure where it could only take place with temple and the necessary elements, like the altar, the holy of holies, et al..

But to answer your question more directly, they are not sacrificing animals. They can't without a temple. The temple mount is occupiied by a blasphemous and abomnible mosque. After the temple was destroyed, they turned to the works of the Torah as their means of atonement.

God told them to slay the animals outside of the tabernacle, where they were burned.

Would you burn anything inside your house ? NO.

God did make that piece of Land Holy.

Concerning the slaying of animals as offerings unto God , is found in Chapter 29 of Exodus.

He did set those instruction/ rules for them to follow throughout generations .... Exodus 29 :42

Temple or no temple.

If they, are on Gods' Holy Land ...with a mosque built there ? Let God handle these type of people.


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But, God told Moses .....to continue to do what God instructed, for all generations to come.

Until, Jesus was the lamb of God slain.... for the forgiveness of sins ,for all mankind.

No, He didn't say that.

Yeah He didn't. Can you direct me to scripture where you think He did?

Exodus 29 : 14

14- But the flesh of the bull , with its skin and its offal,

you shall burn with fire outside the camp.

It is a sin offering.

God is giving moses His instructions , on what to do ...and what the people should do concerning the offerings.

In this same chapter , God says ...

still He is speaking of animals here...

Exodus 29: 41-42

41- And the other lamb you shall offer at twilight ;

and you shall offer with it the grain offering and the drink offering,

as in the morning, for a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to

the Lord.

42- This shall be a continual burt offering throughout your generations

at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the Lord,

where I will meet you to speak with you.

Even if the tabernacle was destroyed ...Gods" instructions still remained .

Until His Son became the Lamb of God , Jesus was became the sin offering ,

He died so we can be forgiven of our sins.

My point of all this is...the people of the Middle East... Jerusalem/ Israel have

the old testament, and they know and believe that God used Moses....and God gave Moses

instructions for the people to live by, for all generations to come.

And some don't believe in Jesus dying for our sins , by crucifixion and that He was not the Son of God.

As I wondered , if they were still slaying animals so they can be forgiven by God ? Since they don't believe

in Jesus' death on the cross.

Those texts don't tell the whole story, though. In other places they were told that they could only sacrifice at the place where God put His Name. There was a set procedure where it could only take place with temple and the necessary elements, like the altar, the holy of holies, et al..

But to answer your question more directly, they are not sacrificing animals. They can't without a temple. The temple mount is occupiied by a blasphemous and abomnible mosque. After the temple was destroyed, they turned to the works of the Torah as their means of atonement.

God told them to slay the animals outside of the tabernacle, where they were burned.

Would you burn anything inside your house ? NO.

God did make that piece of Land Holy.

Concerning the slaying of animals as offerings unto God , is found in Chapter 29 of Exodus.

He did set those instruction/ rules for them to follow throughout generations .... Exodus 29 :42

Temple or no temple.

If they, are on Gods' Holy Land ...with a mosque built there ? Let God handle these type of people.

So what you are saying is that although Jesus came to fulfill the law, some we should still keep and others not?

Got a list for me?


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The Aaronic Priesthood was cut off so it wouldn't matter if they were still offering slain animals, they will not be accepted. There is a new and eternal High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. There is also only One sacrifice that is now acceptable for transgression and sin.

P.S.; There was always only One sacrifice that was acceptable. What the Israelites were doing was looking forward to the promise and sacrificing by Faith until the better sacrifice and Promise was fulfilled.


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But, God told Moses .....to continue to do what God instructed, for all generations to come.

Until, Jesus was the lamb of God slain.... for the forgiveness of sins ,for all mankind.

No, He didn't say that.

Yeah He didn't. Can you direct me to scripture where you think He did?

Exodus 29 : 14

14- But the flesh of the bull , with its skin and its offal,

you shall burn with fire outside the camp.

It is a sin offering.

God is giving moses His instructions , on what to do ...and what the people should do concerning the offerings.

In this same chapter , God says ...

still He is speaking of animals here...

Exodus 29: 41-42

41- And the other lamb you shall offer at twilight ;

and you shall offer with it the grain offering and the drink offering,

as in the morning, for a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to

the Lord.

42- This shall be a continual burt offering throughout your generations

at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the Lord,

where I will meet you to speak with you.

Even if the tabernacle was destroyed ...Gods" instructions still remained .

Until His Son became the Lamb of God , Jesus was became the sin offering ,

He died so we can be forgiven of our sins.

My point of all this is...the people of the Middle East... Jerusalem/ Israel have

the old testament, and they know and believe that God used Moses....and God gave Moses

instructions for the people to live by, for all generations to come.

And some don't believe in Jesus dying for our sins , by crucifixion and that He was not the Son of God.

As I wondered , if they were still slaying animals so they can be forgiven by God ? Since they don't believe

in Jesus' death on the cross.

Those texts don't tell the whole story, though. In other places they were told that they could only sacrifice at the place where God put His Name. There was a set procedure where it could only take place with temple and the necessary elements, like the altar, the holy of holies, et al..

But to answer your question more directly, they are not sacrificing animals. They can't without a temple. The temple mount is occupiied by a blasphemous and abomnible mosque. After the temple was destroyed, they turned to the works of the Torah as their means of atonement.

God told them to slay the animals outside of the tabernacle, where they were burned.

Would you burn anything inside your house ? NO.

God did make that piece of Land Holy.

Concerning the slaying of animals as offerings unto God , is found in Chapter 29 of Exodus.

He did set those instruction/ rules for them to follow throughout generations .... Exodus 29 :42

Temple or no temple.

If they, are on Gods' Holy Land ...with a mosque built there ? Let God handle these type of people.

So what you are saying is that although Jesus came to fulfill the law, some we should still keep and others not?

Got a list for me?

This is not pertaining to us Christians... FEZ

I am referring to those who don't believe in Jesus', death on the cross... and He being the lamb of God .

This is pertaining to Muslim beliefs and other non-believers in Jerusalem / Israel... those that don't believe, that Jesus was crucified ,and that Jesus was the son of God.

But, they do believe in the old testament scriptures, and God used Moses.

And how today ...are they forgiven if they don't believe in Jesus' death. Are they still slaying animals . That was the question of the Topic.

And someone answered it... saying that ...they believe that doing good deeds ,that they are forgiven.

No where did I mention that it was for us to follow , since the birth and death of Jesus.

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