judge

[gdemoss]

You should judge a persons actions, but only God can judge thier heart...... no scripture for that..... grandma said it.

hi other one

1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

God bless

_{i think the key lies in this verse,}

_{John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment}

Interesting scripture. What do you think 'appearance' and "righteous" might mean in the context of the verse? (I am still giving it some thought, so no trick question here...)

The truth of all these is that we are being taught how to make righteous judgments. Judgments, if they are to be made, must be judging the heart of the individual in question and not on outward appearance. One needs to be able to discern motive to make a proper judgment of something.

1Cr 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Two people can give in the same way and one might be righteous while the other unrighteous. Consider Barnabas and Ananias who both sold possessions and gave of their substance. Consider all those who came to give to the treasury. There were the rich who gave of their excess and then we have the widow woman and her two mites.

Proper judgment is crucial in our Christian lives. What if Paul would have just let the fornicator continue on in Corinth? Wasn't his judgment the kind thing to do for the man seeing as his punishment of the flesh in Satan's hand was so that his soul could be saved in the day of judgment. God chastens those he loves and scourges every son he receives. Jesus said he only did as he saw the father doing. Spare the rod spoil the child. Spoiling is not good, unless of course you like spoiled eggs for breakfast.

Judgment in the sense of judge not lest ye be judged has to do with your level of maturity in Christ. It is rooted in the principle of sewing and reaping. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. I have felt the very sting of this in life when once I came to a fellow believer and began to judge him harshly about his walk. Within minutes after our discussion a fellow coworker came over and began to judge me harshly about my work. I was amazed at the speed at which I was judged. I knew what just happened and immediately returned to the brother and asked forgiveness of my coarseness toward him. I shared with him what God had done to correct me. We were both edified.

Righteous judgment is crucial. There is coming a day when God is going to cause much to happen in the way of an eye for an eye. Those who lead into captivity by living sinful lives though they know better will be taken into captivity while those who kill with the sword will be killed by the sword. Our whole lives must be geared toward seeking peace and ensuing it. Rather than be judgmental and suffer judgment for that which is not yet perfected in us, we need to lay down our lives and humble ourselves. We need to absorb the sin of others, resisting sin unto blood and even unto death if the need be.

Judgement is a tricky thing. The devil knows that if he can get a Christian to unrighteously judge someone else that he will be able to accuse them before God and bring down fire from heaven upon that soul. Always asking for the death penalty so that one less Christian to deal with. We, as Christians, have fell for his traps time after time through pride as he whispers in our ear "you didn't deserve that and you ought to defend yourself.". One had better think wisely before employing judgment. The list in Romans 1 clearly states many things that are worthy of death. A man may be guilty of murder but no sooner than you call for his execution then Satan stands before the throne pointing out that you had been proud and disobedient to your parents which are both worthy of death. Fear God because he is righteous and just. The safe bet is to give place to wrath because the God has said that vengeance is his.

Their is a reason that we are told to set those who are 'least esteemed' in the church to judge. Those who are 'least esteemed' are going to be most like Christ. Yes, Paul understood clearly as he also told these same individuals that the more he loved them the less he was loved. And that doesn't fly well in our modern Christian movement where your not supposed to say anything to anyone about sin in their life because many preach that you cannot be like Christ and everyone sins everyday all through out the day and no one is to judge anyone. Don't forget Jesus didn't come to judge the world as the world was already condemned and heading for judgment. All will come before his throne and bow the knee to him. He came that the world through him might be saved. He came to take the sin of the world away and destroy the works of the devil who loves it when men judge one another.

Xero has it right. Mercy and not sacrifice.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

[LOVE SONGS]

You should judge a persons actions, but only God can judge thier heart...... no scripture for that..... grandma said it.

Other One ? ...... brother ... don't you remember ? When those men ... brought a woman to Jesus , who

said, they caught her in the very act of adultry. What did Jesus say ? ... He who is without sin let him cast the

first stone.

[other one]

You should judge a persons actions, but only God can judge thier heart...... no scripture for that..... grandma said it.

Other One ? ...... brother ... don't you remember ? When those men ... brought a woman to Jesus , who

said, they caught her in the very act of adultry. What did Jesus say ? ... He who is without sin let him cast the

first stone.

there's a long story to that scripture that a worthy member wrote about that. I'll have to see if I still have it. Some of the newer members have not see it.

[LOVE SONGS]

You should judge a persons actions, but only God can judge thier heart...... no scripture for that..... grandma said it.

Other One ? ...... brother ... don't you remember ? When those men ... brought a woman to Jesus , who

said, they caught her in the very act of adultry. What did Jesus say ? ... He who is without sin let him cast the

first stone.

there's a long story to that scripture that a worthy member wrote about that. I'll have to see if I still have it. Some of the newer members have not see it.

Yeah... the pastor said that ...they must have been ...peeping Toms . LOL...please just joking around ...o.k.

[Fez]

As gary says, judging is a subject fraught with danger. It is tricky.

One has to have absolute purity of heart when one judges. And that is not an easy thing to have.....

So probably better not to then.......

I have been judged here on Worthy a few times of late, and have seen that the judgement is probably based on the persons interpretation of how they think our faith should be handled. So it is a very subjective thing.

I too have judged in the past when I think a person may be a "bit out there", with their opinion or belief.

So best not to then!

[Guest man]

The truth of all these is that we are being taught how to make righteous judgments. Judgments, if they are to be made, must be judging the heart of the individual in question and not on outward appearance. One needs to be able to discern motive to make a proper judgment of something.

You show me someone other than God who is able to look into the heart of an individual and I'll show you a liar.

Righteous judgement has nothing to do with looking into the heart of the person being judged. It has to do with the condition of the heart of the person passing judgement.

One way of looking at righteous judgement is, don't be a hypocrite. Clean off your own doorstep before you try to clean someone elses. Remove the beam, plank, splinter from your own eye before you start pointing out the beams, planks and splinters of others.

[gdemoss]

The truth of all these is that we are being taught how to make righteous judgments. Judgments, if they are to be made, must be judging the heart of the individual in question and not on outward appearance. One needs to be able to discern motive to make a proper judgment of something.

You show me someone other than God who is able to look into the heart of an individual and I'll show you a liar.

Righteous judgement has nothing to do with looking into the heart of the person being judged. It has to do with the condition of the heart of the person passing judgement.

One way of looking at righteous judgement is, don't be a hypocrite. Clean off your own doorstep before you try to clean someone elses. Remove the beam, plank, splinter from your own eye before you start pointing out the beams, planks and splinters of others.

Out of the over abundance of the mouth the heart speaks. It isn't too hard to see what's in a mans heart if you can get him to talk. You show what is in yours when you post, as do I. Allow me to ask a question. If I am the one who is to be removing the beam from my eye, then who actually removes the mote from my brothers?

Gary

[Guest man]

The truth of all these is that we are being taught how to make righteous judgments. Judgments, if they are to be made, must be judging the heart of the individual in question and not on outward appearance. One needs to be able to discern motive to make a proper judgment of something.

You show me someone other than God who is able to look into the heart of an individual and I'll show you a liar.

Righteous judgement has nothing to do with looking into the heart of the person being judged. It has to do with the condition of the heart of the person passing judgement.

One way of looking at righteous judgement is, don't be a hypocrite. Clean off your own doorstep before you try to clean someone elses. Remove the beam, plank, splinter from your own eye before you start pointing out the beams, planks and splinters of others.

Out of the over abundance of the mouth the heart speaks. It isn't too hard to see what's in a mans heart if you can get him to talk. You show what is in yours when you post, as do I.

That doesn't mean you are able to search a mans heart and know it's contents.

Allow me to ask a question. If I am the one who is to be removing the beam from my eye, then who actually removes the mote from my brothers?

Not you.

[gdemoss]

The truth of all these is that we are being taught how to make righteous judgments. Judgments, if they are to be made, must be judging the heart of the individual in question and not on outward appearance. One needs to be able to discern motive to make a proper judgment of something.

You show me someone other than God who is able to look into the heart of an individual and I'll show you a liar.

Righteous judgement has nothing to do with looking into the heart of the person being judged. It has to do with the condition of the heart of the person passing judgement.

One way of looking at righteous judgement is, don't be a hypocrite. Clean off your own doorstep before you try to clean someone elses. Remove the beam, plank, splinter from your own eye before you start pointing out the beams, planks and splinters of others.

Out of the over abundance of the mouth the heart speaks. It isn't too hard to see what's in a mans heart if you can get him to talk. You show what is in yours when you post, as do I.

That doesn't mean you are able to search a mans heart and know it's contents.

Allow me to ask a question. If I am the one who is to be removing the beam from my eye, then who actually removes the mote from my brothers?

Not you.

Agree with your first statement. I cannot personally search your heart. I can know anything about it that God will reveal unto me but only he has the ability to see it's contents if a man doesn't speak.

Last statement, we're pretty close as I agree that it is not I. But who do you say it is?

Gary

[xero]

Matthew 6:22 "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."

Matthew 7:5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Matthew 9:13 "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Matthew 18:23 "Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."