NIV vs KJV. You decide.

[pg4Him]

Here are my pennies of thought on this matter, if anyone is interested:

1) The biggest reason why someone would skim over the text, or say here we go again, is because they've studied this topic before. I got saved in a KJVO church and spent my early 20s reading a lot of essays on the matter. Then I did a project where I studied the Hebrew text of Genesis, and it blew me away. I've never been a fan of the NIV. These days I tend to read NASB the most and refer to KJV on particularly interesting verses. Going through the original language of the text is always the most beneficial, but that can be too exhausting for a workaday devotional.

2) I confess that I don't have time to follow conspiracy theories about corporations. The KJV Bible I own now was printed by Zondervan. If you order a KJV from Amazon you're supporting a retailer that sells antiChristian material. If you read KJV online you're giving money to a cable company that props up secular channels like HBO. You're typing these forum posts on a computer. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs say you're welcome. Besides, the NIV translation went into print before Harper Collins even bought Zondervan. If Zondervan was still an independent company, they'd be printing the NIV exactly the same, and the HC argument would go flying out the window. You are really not angry about Harper Collins. You're angry about the NIV and using HC as handy ammunition.

3) I also confess that I'm not a native speaker of Elizabethan English, so the KJV can be difficult for me to read sometimes. If that makes me lazy and stupid, so be it. But God says His word is verified by 2 or 3 witnesses. If I read 3 sources to get a 3-dimensional view of a sentence, I feel more confident that I really understand it. It's easy to say the Spirit can flow through the text to give us understanding. But that doesn't mean we should handicap the Spirit by reading a text that's needlessly puzzling.

4) Final point: it's all too easy to build a protective force field around your argument by saying the alternative is nothing less than Satanic deception. Suddenly anyone who disagrees is a danger to themselves and others. A quick and cheap way to shut up the opposition. Of course we must always be on guard to discern the wiles of the enemy, but if we default to this conclusion too often, it starts looking like an assumption. If you really believe the NIV text is wrong, then let the text speak for itself, let others observe the errors, and let them reach the correct conclusion on their own. The correct way of winning a debate is not to pronounce your conclusion and then show ammo to support it. A true and correct conclusion will lead the reader to itself if your ammo is good enough. Yes, there are translation errors in the NIV. Yes, there are few passages where we see discrepancies. But that evidence leads us to say, okay the NIV has mistakes and we should balance it against other sources. You have enough ammo to convince us of that. You do not have enough ammo to prove any further.

Sorry for the long post, and sorry if it sounds overbearing. Just wanted to contribute.

[OldShep]

Just got off the phone with Harper Collins publishing,

Satan does not need your advertisement, please remove your Post...............

~~~Dennis~~~

[wingnut-]

I use the KJV, NASV (Love it, my first bible), NIV and ESV (mostly).

I neither support pornography, nor satan, and to come onto this board and allude that people that do not agree with your bible "bashing", do, is just plain confrontational.

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If you purchase a Bible from Zondervan publishing, you are indirectly supporting porn and the Satanic Bible. No Bible bashing here, just bashing the publisher I am not saying don't buy it, I am saying I won't buy one. Totally up to you what Bible you want to buy. I would strongly discourage it, particularly if you are going to do battle in any type of "deliverance" ministry.

It's like the United Way, if you support the United Way you are indirectly supporting abortion. Now, if you are ok with that, do it.

Same thing witnessing to someone, you can tell them the Plan of Salvation, about God, Jesus, the whole works, a lot times people will accept it, most times they won't. Same thing here, I am but a messeger, do with the information as you see fit.

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord

P.S. FYI...I would suggest you use a capitol "S" when referring to Satan.

They also offer a KJV bible, so exactly what bible does that leave for anyone to read?

Edited August 21, 2012 by OneLight

[appy]

Let me translate this thread,

“I’m a real christian, cause I read the “right” translation”

Mighty puffed up don’t you think?

You might want to do further research on who owns what before calling another translation satanic and accusing people of supporting wrong activities. Thomas Nelson Inc is the one publishing the kjv bibles but recently was purchased by Harper which Murdoch also owns. He owns a majority of the christian publishers.

I checked several sources to verify the following.

Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation has bought the Nashville-based Thomas Nelson, Inc., Christian publishers, reports Jeffrey A. Trachtenberg for the Wall Street Journal.

The purchase was made by News Corp.’s HarperCollins book publishers. No terms of the sale were disclosed, but “it comes nearly 18 months after an investor group led by private-equity firm Kohlberg & Co. acquired a majority of Thomas Nelson’s stock. In 2006 the Nashville-based publisher had gone private in a transaction valued at about $473 million,” reported Trachtenberg.

http://blog.beliefne...lins-empire.php

http://news.yahoo.co...-201356781.html

[pg4Him]

One more quick point - unless it was disclosed to Ms. DeMatteo that her name and occupation would be broadcast on a public website for the purpose of calling her employer a tool of the devil (which I'm pretty sure I know the answer), it's borderline illegal to copypaste that email.

[upnorthfan]

Here are my pennies of thought on this matter, if anyone is interested:

1) The biggest reason why someone would skim over the text, or say here we go again, is because they've studied this topic before. I got saved in a KJVO church and spent my early 20s reading a lot of essays on the matter. Then I did a project where I studied the Hebrew text of Genesis, and it blew me away. I've never been a fan of the NIV. These days I tend to read NASB the most and refer to KJV on particularly interesting verses. Going through the original language of the text is always the most beneficial, but that can be too exhausting for a workaday devotional.

2) I confess that I don't have time to follow conspiracy theories about corporations. The KJV Bible I own now was printed by Zondervan. If you order a KJV from Amazon you're supporting a retailer that sells antiChristian material. If you read KJV online you're giving money to a cable company that props up secular channels like HBO. You're typing these forum posts on a computer. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs say you're welcome. Besides, the NIV translation went into print before Harper Collins even bought Zondervan. If Zondervan was still an independent company, they'd be printing the NIV exactly the same, and the HC argument would go flying out the window. You are really not angry about Harper Collins. You're angry about the NIV and using HC as handy ammunition.

3) I also confess that I'm not a native speaker of Elizabethan English, so the KJV can be difficult for me to read sometimes. If that makes me lazy and stupid, so be it. But God says His word is verified by 2 or 3 witnesses. If I read 3 sources to get a 3-dimensional view of a sentence, I feel more confident that I really understand it. It's easy to say the Spirit can flow through the text to give us understanding. But that doesn't mean we should handicap the Spirit by reading a text that's needlessly puzzling.

4) Final point: it's all too easy to build a protective force field around your argument by saying the alternative is nothing less than Satanic deception. Suddenly anyone who disagrees is a danger to themselves and others. A quick and cheap way to shut up the opposition. Of course we must always be on guard to discern the wiles of the enemy, but if we default to this conclusion too often, it starts looking like an assumption. If you really believe the NIV text is wrong, then let the text speak for itself, let others observe the errors, and let them reach the correct conclusion on their own. The correct way of winning a debate is not to pronounce your conclusion and then show ammo to support it. A true and correct conclusion will lead the reader to itself if your ammo is good enough. Yes, there are translation errors in the NIV. Yes, there are few passages where we see discrepancies. But that evidence leads us to say, okay the NIV has mistakes and we should balance it against other sources. You have enough ammo to convince us of that. You do not have enough ammo to prove any further.

Sorry for the long post, and sorry if it sounds overbearing. Just wanted to contribute.

Nice response, and much appreciated. I truely do not care if you or anyone else buys any book from whatever publisher publishes said book. I do think however, that people need to be inforned before they do make said decision. It is not my intention to "corner" anyone into an all or a nothing situation (my apologies if I did), nor am I here to judge anyone, but I do feel the need to point this out.

Some have been saved by being witnessed to using the NIV, as one poster pointer out. I submit however, that Satan does appear as an angel of light, and one of his many nicknames is the deciever. He may allow one or 2 or however many people to be saved, knowing up ahead it will pay Him dividends later on. People often tell me they are white witches, and in their mind they think of themselves as godly because they think only "black" witches are the bad guys.

My belief is both sources are from Satan, white and black magic alike, making them both equally inspired by Satan. Rather they are protected by Brahman or Sheba or whomever, they all bow to Natas. This is what I do know...if whomever is going to go into battle doing spiritual warfare, you pretty much have to walk a fine line. One such fine line is the accuracey of God's Holy Word. Without it, Satan will laugh you, me and anyone else out of the building.

Edited August 20, 2012 by upnorthfan

[Fez]

Anyone use BibleGateway.com? I have found it to be an excellent resource.

[Henry_iain]

Anyone use BibleGateway.com? I have found it to be an excellent resource.

Yes it is brilliant. I also use e-sword and olive tree. and I have an audio version of the ESV (only the New Testament) there certainly are some nice tools around these days

[upnorthfan]

Anyone use BibleGateway.com? I have found it to be an excellent resource.

It's in my favorites and I have used it as recent as early this mourning:)

[pg4Him]

Quotes from you on this thread:

The translators of the NIV are against Christ. They are truly Anti-Christ. They do not want you to believe in Him nor put your faith in Him as your personal Lord and Savior, and they do not want you to serve Him and obey Him. If they can get you to believe in a historical Jesus, whom you do not put your faith in and trust in for forgiveness of your sins, and without bowing your life and heart to worship and serve Him as Lord, they will have succeeded in keeping you from Heaven and will help send you to Hell for all eternity!

It is a spiritual battle going on out there and Satan is winning, partly because God's Word is getting so watered down the power of it is deluted, because it is being spoken incorrectly.

So what version do you use or what version would you recommend? Hopefully not one that supports Satan and pornography.

Totally up to you what Bible you want to buy. I would strongly discourage it, particularly if you are going to do battle in any type of "deliverance" ministry.

Some have been saved by being witnessed to using the NIV, as one poster pointer out. I submit however, that Satan does appear as an angel of light, and one of his many nicknames is the deciever. He may allow one or 2 or however many people to be saved, knowing up ahead it will pay Him dividends later on. People often tell me they are white witches, and in their mind they think of themselves as godly because they think only "black" witches are the bad guys.

Anyone with a brain will read this thread and recognize that you are 1) accusing the NIV of being an anti-Christian book that Satan uses as a front to confuse people, 2) warning that people who buy the NIV are not only funding porn but put themselves in danger of being led away from Christ, and 3) asserting that NIV readers are akin to white witches.

You can't drop a bomb like randomly mentioning white witches and then play semantics about what that comment means.

Then let's look at this: It is not my intention to "corner" anyone into an all or a nothing situation (my apologies if I did), nor am I here to judge anyone

An apology loses its luster when it comes attached to a denial. You're now apologizing outright, I respect that.

Don't ask me if I think my money went to porn. You're the one who made that assertion. Either every single book that Zondervan sells contributes to porn (which has zero to do with NIV and is therefore irrelevant to NIV or KJV), or only *certain* books they print contribute to porn. You're loathe to admit that a KJV sale could fund porn, so instead of retracting that ammo against NIV you'd rather dodge a straightforward question.

The puppy comment is not rude. Let me rephrase it: you can't throw out verbal hand grenades like "Satanic" and "white witch" and then back away from them when someone pins you down to defend who they're aimed at.

Either stand behind your own OP or start retracting the ill-advised bombs you dropped.