Genesis Flood: Entire earth or local? (Is "godandscience" a cr

[Steve_S]

ok, the jews believe per ramban that the flood covered the whole. earth. the book of beersherit(genesis) is a written oral story with an exodus bias. noah met abram and taught him the story. and he passed it on, nahor as well.if the flood of genesis is local then so will be his return as peter compares the end of the earth to that.

What verse or book does Peter compare the end to the flood again?

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

[IatePistachiosSigningUp]

ok, the jews believe per ramban that the flood covered the whole. earth. the book of beersherit(genesis) is a written oral story with an exodus bias. noah met abram and taught him the story. and he passed it on, nahor as well.if the flood of genesis is local then so will be his return as peter compares the end of the earth to that.

What verse or book does Peter compare the end to the flood again?

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Thank you.

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When God Clearly Tells Us The Truth

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Genesis 7:19

And The Earth Story (Geology) Clearly Confirms It

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2 Peter 3:5-6

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/flood.html

http://tasc-creationscience.org/other/plaisted/www.cs.unc.edu/_plaisted/ce/index.html

Something Strange

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1 Peter 5:8

Is Afoot

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 3:12

Hum

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 1 Corinthians 10:5

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Our God Is An Awesome God

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

He Rules From Heaven Above

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Psalms 33:6

With Wisdom, Power And Love

The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth. He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them. Psalms 145:18-19

Our God Is An Awesome God

http://www.vbvbc.org/bible-verse/deuteronomy10-17

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Steve_S]

When God Clearly Tells Us The Truth

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Genesis 7:19

And The Earth Story (Geology) Clearly Confirms It

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2 Peter 3:5-6

http://www.cs.unc.ed...d/ce/flood.html

http://tasc-creation...d/ce/index.html

Something Strange

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1 Peter 5:8

Is Afoot

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 3:12

Hum

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 1 Corinthians 10:5

~

Our God Is An Awesome God

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

He Rules From Heaven Above

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Psalms 33:6

With Wisdom, Power And Love

The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth. He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them. Psalms 145:18-19

Our God Is An Awesome God

http://www.vbvbc.org...euteronomy10-17

~

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[gdemoss]

Amazing to see the deception of the devil at work. What did God really say?

My dear children, love God with all your heart, mind, soul and body, while loving your neighbor as yourself and the truth of the matter will become clear. God made a statement with the flood to man who is upon the earth. Believe, fear God and follow Christ. There is yet a flood of another kind coming to destroy them who dwell upon the face of the earth irreverently. That which is natural comes first followed by that which is spiritual, a biblical principle we would do well to take heed unto. The vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction are ready to receive them that are coming and finish the work of judgment that is necessary to cleanse the earth and bring in the kingdom of God upon the earth, praise his name! Be not deceived. God is not mocked. He has said it and will do the preforming of it. Noah was warned of God of things not seen as of yet and spent 100 years building a boat that would house two of each kind of animal as well as seven of the clean. Noah wasn't an ignorant man lacking understanding who didn't understand that a local flood could simply be avoided by moving to a far country that wouldn't be flooded. NO. He built the boat. Argue against this to your own peril but the truth is the truth is the truth forevermore. God will judge his creation. Praise his Holy Name!

In Jesus Name,

Gary

[enoob57]

The site owner and author of the link you posted Iatepistachios, does not believe in young earth creationism so it could explain why his particular viewpoint is that the flood was not a global flood. He also appears to be catholic. Does the catholic church teach that the flood was not a global event now?

That's another thing that gets me more than the local flood issue. I mean if one day meant a longer period of time that was more than a day doesn't take away the glory and magnificence of the LORD Most High. Another thing is that יוֹם yom can mean 'day' can also mean 'time' or 'year'. So since it doesn't say specifically "in a 24 hour period of time," or something of the such, why couldn't it be a year?

When the plain sense makes sense seek no other sense!

Ge 1:5

5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

NKJV

Love, Steven

[five]

When doing a study always look for a descriptor to determine a locale or a time period etc. This one shows you that the flood was global . . .

Genesis 7:3 KJV Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive

upon the face of

all the earth

.

That means everything would be wiped out globally.

Edited September 1, 2012 by five

[Sevenseas]

in fact it was only Mesopotamia that was flooded.

Just as the Flood was Global, so will be the Final Judgment.

I don't think it was global. If it was truely global, every culture on earth would have a flood legend or myth. There are cultures that have no legends or myths of a flood; therefore, it could not be global. There are some things in the Bible that are more allegory. The Great Flood is one of them.

Do you apply the 'every culture on earth' criteria right across the board? If you do not, then why apply it to the flood as presented in scripture?

You believe the flood is allegory? Where is your proof of this? If you believe that ancient peoples did not have the knowledge to

fathom the globe as we do today, then why would you take as proof a lack of writing of a global flood when you state yourself

that they are inaccurate? Just really makes no sense at all

Here, is proof again (from poster above me) that the flood was global. If you state otherwise, then you are DELIBERATELY

choosing to believe something other than scripture as your 'truth'.

When doing a study always look for a descriptor to determine a locale or a time period etc. This one shows you that the flood was global . . .

Genesis 7:3 KJV Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive

upon the face of

all the earth

.

That means everything would be wiped out globally.

[Sevenseas]

The site owner and author of the link you posted Iatepistachios, does not believe in young earth creationism so it could explain why his particular viewpoint is that the flood was not a global flood. He also appears to be catholic. Does the catholic church teach that the flood was not a global event now?

I'm glad someone else mentioned that.

[Steve_S]

Selene, you make a good argument, but lets examine what was taking place carefully in Genesis chapter 6, beginning with verse 5.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

God is speaking in terms of being grieved he made mankind. He says he will destroy man from the face of the earth. Now, lets suppose that God was only speaking of mankind in a certain populated area, and that he was only looking to destroy animals from a certain part of the earth? If that were true, there was no need for an ark to preserve the animals and the human race, because they would continue in other parts of the planet, and continue to exist. Jump down to verse 13.

13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

This was a plan to destroy every creature on the planet. That is why he had Noah build an ark. It was so life could continue, and start over. Again, if this was only a local event, there was no need for the ark to preserve life on the earth. We have flooding today, and it often claims a lot of lives, but life goes on because it is localized, which brings up another problem. The rainbow was a sign of a covenant between God and man that he would never destroy the earth with a flood again. We still have localized floods, and the destruction of many lives, but God never promised there would be no floods in localized areas. He just promised he wouldn't destroy the world with a flood, and the rainbow isn't limited to one small area. I see them all the time, and they are reminders of the great flood, and God's covenant. Notice what it says in Genesis 8:21,22

21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

The more you read of the story, the more obvious it is that this was a worldwide flood. The entire planet was under water, and only those in the ark survived.