False Prophets

[Bold Believer]

The earliest people of the US declared it a Christian nation. Its founding principles came from Christianity (as did many other nations', which have since apostasized). Now Obama (I refuse to call him President. I didn't vote for him, he isn't MY President.) has recently declared that America is NOT a Christian nation or no longer a Christian nation. That doesn't make it so necessarily, but it is certainly headed that way. There are still Believers active in the governance of the country. What effect they are having seems to be questionable, but they are there. Some of the things occurring in our country are waking the Believers to what is going on. I'm still unconvinced personally that they realize the significance of what the root cause is.

[Sevenseas]

The earliest people of the US declared it a Christian nation. Its founding principles came from Christianity (as did many other nations', which have since apostasized). Now Obama (I refuse to call him President. I didn't vote for him, he isn't MY President.) has recently declared that America is NOT a Christian nation or no longer a Christian nation. That doesn't make it so necessarily, but it is certainly headed that way. There are still Believers active in the governance of the country. What effect they are having seems to be questionable, but they are there. Some of the things occurring in our country are waking the Believers to what is going on. I'm still unconvinced personally that they realize the significance of what the root cause is.

It is the general populace that will make or break the nation. Your leaders...and i say that word VERY loosely...are ELECTED.

[Steve_S]

The earliest people of the US declared it a Christian nation. Its founding principles came from Christianity (as did many other nations', which have since apostasized). Now Obama (I refuse to call him President. I didn't vote for him, he isn't MY President.) has recently declared that America is NOT a Christian nation or no longer a Christian nation. That doesn't make it so necessarily, but it is certainly headed that way. There are still Believers active in the governance of the country. What effect they are having seems to be questionable, but they are there. Some of the things occurring in our country are waking the Believers to what is going on. I'm still unconvinced personally that they realize the significance of what the root cause is.

I don't know that it was "declared" a Christian nation and, even if it were, that doesn't make it so. As I said, I agree that the founding principles of the nation were very Christian. Even if you take a very optimistic perspective you have to believe that 1963 was the year that ended, when the Bible was removed from schools and replaced with origin theories concocted by atheistic humanists.

[Fez]

The earliest people of the US declared it a Christian nation. Its founding principles came from Christianity (as did many other nations', which have since apostasized). Now Obama (I refuse to call him President. I didn't vote for him, he isn't MY President.) has recently declared that America is NOT a Christian nation or no longer a Christian nation. That doesn't make it so necessarily, but it is certainly headed that way. There are still Believers active in the governance of the country. What effect they are having seems to be questionable, but they are there. Some of the things occurring in our country are waking the Believers to what is going on. I'm still unconvinced personally that they realize the significance of what the root cause is.

I don't know that it was "declared" a Christian nation and, even if it were, that doesn't make it so. As I said, I agree that the founding principles of the nation were very Christian. Even if you take a very optimistic perspective you have to believe that 1963 was the year that ended, when the Bible was removed from schools and replaced with origin theories concocted by atheistic humanists.

"I am afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell, unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures and engraving them in the heart of the youth". - Martin Luther

[Steve_S]

The earliest people of the US declared it a Christian nation. Its founding principles came from Christianity (as did many other nations', which have since apostasized). Now Obama (I refuse to call him President. I didn't vote for him, he isn't MY President.) has recently declared that America is NOT a Christian nation or no longer a Christian nation. That doesn't make it so necessarily, but it is certainly headed that way. There are still Believers active in the governance of the country. What effect they are having seems to be questionable, but they are there. Some of the things occurring in our country are waking the Believers to what is going on. I'm still unconvinced personally that they realize the significance of what the root cause is.

I don't know that it was "declared" a Christian nation and, even if it were, that doesn't make it so. As I said, I agree that the founding principles of the nation were very Christian. Even if you take a very optimistic perspective you have to believe that 1963 was the year that ended, when the Bible was removed from schools and replaced with origin theories concocted by atheistic humanists.

"I am afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell, unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures and engraving them in the heart of the youth". - Martin Luther

Yessir.

[Bold Believer]

The earliest people of the US declared it a Christian nation. Its founding principles came from Christianity (as did many other nations', which have since apostasized). Now Obama (I refuse to call him President. I didn't vote for him, he isn't MY President.) has recently declared that America is NOT a Christian nation or no longer a Christian nation. That doesn't make it so necessarily, but it is certainly headed that way. There are still Believers active in the governance of the country. What effect they are having seems to be questionable, but they are there. Some of the things occurring in our country are waking the Believers to what is going on. I'm still unconvinced personally that they realize the significance of what the root cause is.

I don't know that it was "declared" a Christian nation and, even if it were, that doesn't make it so. As I said, I agree that the founding principles of the nation were very Christian. Even if you take a very optimistic perspective you have to believe that 1963 was the year that ended, when the Bible was removed from schools and replaced with origin theories concocted by atheistic humanists.

You have but to read the Mayflower Compact to see that the colonists believed that they were coming here "For the Glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith."

I think that the foundations began to be attacked when we discovered the Bomb. Once we realized that we could use the very power of God for destructive purposes, mankind began to think that he was god-like, particularly here in the States. Little by little and bit by bit, humanism crept in. They got a foothold in the schools in 1963, this is true, but the end of America's Christian nation status could not be 1963, because no fruit had come of the matter at that point. Once those being taught evolution graduated and then went out into the world to take their demonic lies into society to be grasped by others, the fruit began to take hold. It took many generations to get even the idea of evolution into schools completely. Then 1973 came along and Roe v Wade spead the rot. How many great Christians have we lost to abortion? God only knows. Then the death penalty was abolished for crimes worthy of death, and even though that grave error has been reversed, it carries no real true strength. Now we have open homosexuality in the military and society, which Romans 1 shows is the final step in the downfall of a righteous nation/society. Once our society gets to the point that the righteous simply give up and stop fighting what they believe to be the inevitable tide, I believe that ends our Christian nation status. As long as Believers fight the wickedness, God will honor us to some point.

[Steve_S]

The earliest people of the US declared it a Christian nation. Its founding principles came from Christianity (as did many other nations', which have since apostasized). Now Obama (I refuse to call him President. I didn't vote for him, he isn't MY President.) has recently declared that America is NOT a Christian nation or no longer a Christian nation. That doesn't make it so necessarily, but it is certainly headed that way. There are still Believers active in the governance of the country. What effect they are having seems to be questionable, but they are there. Some of the things occurring in our country are waking the Believers to what is going on. I'm still unconvinced personally that they realize the significance of what the root cause is.

I don't know that it was "declared" a Christian nation and, even if it were, that doesn't make it so. As I said, I agree that the founding principles of the nation were very Christian. Even if you take a very optimistic perspective you have to believe that 1963 was the year that ended, when the Bible was removed from schools and replaced with origin theories concocted by atheistic humanists.

You have but to read the Mayflower Compact to see that the colonists believed that they were coming here "For the Glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith."

I think that the foundations began to be attacked when we discovered the Bomb. Once we realized that we could use the very power of God for destructive purposes, mankind began to think that he was god-like, particularly here in the States. Little by little and bit by bit, humanism crept in. They got a foothold in the schools in 1963, this is true, but the end of America's Christian nation status could not be 1963, because no fruit had come of the matter at that point. Once those being taught evolution graduated and then went out into the world to take their demonic lies into society to be grasped by others, the fruit began to take hold. It took many generations to get even the idea of evolution into schools completely. Then 1973 came along and Roe v Wade spead the rot. How many great Christians have we lost to abortion? God only knows. Then the death penalty was abolished for crimes worthy of death, and even though that grave error has been reversed, it carries no real true strength. Now we have open homosexuality in the military and society, which Romans 1 shows is the final step in the downfall of a righteous nation/society. Once our society gets to the point that the righteous simply give up and stop fighting what they believe to be the inevitable tide, I believe that ends our Christian nation status. As long as Believers fight the wickedness, God will honor us to some point.

I don't disagree with you about the mayflower compact, but that wasn't the establishment of the nation. And, really, I think that if we go back to the establishment of the federal reserve in 1913 you could say we began taking the real turn there, I say this for two reasons:

Prior to this money was a means to an end for most americans, it was a method with which you used to trade and it was static (for the most part) and backed by gold, it wasn't traded on the open market, etc. You could say that this is the point where we went from being a prosperous society that used money in order to assist trade to a society that saw money as the basis of trade and this let it become a whole lot easier to let money become an idol (I'm not saying people didn't idolize money before this point, just that after this point currency concerns in and of themselves became an issue, prior to this point it was the lack of any given item due to shortage or over abundance that would be the issue).

Secondly, the establishment of a central bank is the very first step towards socialism and is one of the communist planks. Socialism cannot exist without fiat currency. This basically paved the way for the government to run at a major deficit indefinitely due to wealth that never existed being falsely created, which in turn allowed the government to become far more intrusive because it had the means with which to do so, which in turn allowed the government to get people dependent upon it, which in turn led to politicians having segments of the population bending to their will because of that dependency, which makes it much less likely that legalized abortion or prayer getting removed from schools would cause an uproar, because a significant portion of the population will vote money first in any given election.

This is just my take on it.

[gdemoss]

Sevenseas, you have a way with words....one I have to work to become accustomed too

Gary

The problem may be that I grew up hearing three languages and I think my syntax may be off LOL!

But I am happy to clarify any time Gary...especially since you remain (relatively) calm..and you know I can get a fire started

I try to come prepared!

Gary

[Sevenseas]

You have but to read the Mayflower Compact to see that the colonists believed that they were coming here "For the Glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith."

No, the Mayflower was definitely not the founding of the United States and the United States is a Republic, not a democracy...just thought I would throw in that

last for free

I think that the foundations began to be attacked when we discovered the Bomb. Once we realized that we could use the very power of God for destructive purposes, mankind began to think that he was god-like, particularly here in the States. Little by little and bit by bit, humanism crept in.

Nah....that's not it.

YOU did not discover the bomb

On 2nd August, 1939, three Jewish scientists who had fled to the United States from Europe, Albert Einstein, Leo Szilard and Eugene Wigner, wrote a joint letter to President Franklin D. Roosevelt, about the developments that had been taking place in nuclear physics. They warned Roosevelt that scientists in Germany were working on the possibility of using uranium to produce nuclear weapons.

Roosevelt responded by setting up a scientific advisory committee to investigate the matter. He also had talks with the British government about ways of sabotaging the German efforts to produce nuclear weapons.

And there is alot more to the story. The entire world does not consist of North America south of the 49th parallel

[Sevenseas]

Sevenseas, you have a way with words....one I have to work to become accustomed too

Gary

The problem may be that I grew up hearing three languages and I think my syntax may be off LOL!

But I am happy to clarify any time Gary...especially since you remain (relatively) calm..and you know I can get a fire started

I try to come prepared!

Gary

You may want to lend it to bold believer....