Legal "drugs"

[Fez]

There seems to be a need to split the thread about legal marijuana into another to discuss legal pharmaceutics. It is interesting that I was watching a program on legal opiate use just before posting this.

The fact is that America consisting of 5% of the worlds population, consumes 80% of the legally produced opiate painkillers. This use has doubled in the last 10 years as they became easier to obtain, and it can be argued that the ailments causing pain would not have.

Americans consume 80 percent of the world's painkillers, which translates into more than 110 tons of addictive opiates every year, the BBC reports.

The finding comes from congressional testimony by the American Society of Interventional Pain Physicians.

Opiates such as such as Oxycontin and codeine are legal with a prescription but are also addictive.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-14/news/31695976_1_rate-of-american-babies-prescription-drug-abuse-opiates

Prescription drug abuse leads to 14,800 deaths a year, which is more than what heroin and cocaine total combined, according to the BBC.

That is 40 deaths a day from prescription drug abuse, 19 a day of which are from overdosing.

The question that begs to be asked is, why not legal weed instead, if it is less harmful than the opiates?

[gdemoss]

I cannot imagine telling someone not to use something from Gods creation to bring about healing a wound or illness when it is available to be applied. I would simply encourage those who need such things to seek the Lord with their whole heart first and foremost, applying what the scripture says about the issue at hand. The good Samaritan applied oil to the wounds of the one taken by thieves and we are admonished to anoint them with oil who have ailments while praying over them in the Lord that they might be healed.

The task of legislating the use of drugs lies upon those in human government. If they outlawed the use of anointing with oil, i would still anoint with oil. The law of the land is meant to bring transgressors into judgment though it is often misapplied to make attacks on those who are otherwise righteous before God.

My reluctance to use a substance such as marijuana through the act of smoking it even for the purpose of relieving the pain of an ailment comes solely from not having a clear understanding of what the strange fire offered unto the Lord was in the OT. I refuse to condemn a man who in good conscience toward God seeks to relieve the pain he is in as he waits upon the Lord to deliver him from his malady.

I confess that I lack a true understanding of what is or is not witchcraft according to God in these matters. When I take medications, I take them by faith that they are God's grace and mercy extended unto me through pity of my position that I might have relief from that which ails me. I seek him first for miraculous deliverance without the aid of medications before anything else. Many times I have found that pain goes away without any intervention at all. Other times I find myself sitting before one like Luke, who was the beloved physician, and receiving my medications with joy, praying that God will use them to bring me back to health.

So as far as laws go for regulating the use of drugs and such to avoid abuse, I pray that God lead the nation to do that which is righteous before him. And that he would get that which is needed into the hands of the needy regardless of what laws are written if said laws are in direct opposition to Gods ways.

Peace in Christ,

[ncn]

I'm not saying I agree with this report but it did come out in the past few days.

So, I'm posting it for information reasons only.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20810603

Now, having said that I have Parkinson’s which is a degenerative illness. I am fully aware that there is no known cure in the medical field.

I developed Parkinson’s almost fourteen years ago when I was forty five, today I’m fifty nine.

It’s quite debilitating; every day I have to live with the shakes, the difficulty in walking, the frustration of dressing myself,

caring for myself, doing household chores that should take half the time, if not less for an abled body person.

As for medication, I have to down twenty two pills a day to have a quality of life.

I know of other people with Parkinson's that do use cannabis and say that they find it beneficial.

Personaly I don't use it.

One other thing that I would like to say and that I noticed did not come out in the other thread is that in the UK;

there are in fact two types of cannabis.

One of them is called "Skunk" and it is mass produced to sell on the streets.

Skunk and other similar varieties are characterised by being grown indoors, either under grow lights or in greenhouse conditions using 'hydroponic' techniques (ie, growing plants in nutrient-rich liquids rather than in soil). This has become a major problem because people don't know what has been sprayed and added to make not only a fast growing plant but also to induce a quicker dependence on the product.

[Guest man]

The question that begs to be asked is, why not legal weed instead, if it is less harmful than the opiates?

There's a stigma attached to marijuana. A false belief that everyone that smokes pot becomes so high and disoriented that they have no control over mind and body.

A movie was made back in the 30s called "Reefer Madness" that pretty much explains that stigma. It's on youtube, check it out.

I smoke pot because of the nausea associated with my illness. I was given some of the best legal drugs in the world to treat this condition and all they did was make me sicker. When I smoke I rarely get stoned and when I do, the affects are gone within an hour. And no, I don't drive while under the influence.

As was stated, marijuana is not much of a pain killer. In pill form it does help in some instances. I tried it once and it messed me up so bad I don't ever want to feel that way again.

[other one]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

[ncn]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

I too am pleased that your leg is still there, many have lost not only a leg but all limbs.

Please don't tell me you are advocating that doctors should not use pain killers and modern day medicine to help pain relief which has come on by leaps and bound since the 60's. ?

Perhaps we could go back to the days of not using anesthetics to saw off limbs as they did in Nelson's time.

With no pain relief before or after, just give them a bottle of rum and tell them it will pass.

[Fez]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

I too am pleased that your leg is still there, many have lost not only a leg but all limbs.

Please don't tell me you are advocating that doctors should not use pain killers and modern day medicine to help pain relief which has come on by leaps and bound since the 60's. ?

Perhaps we could go back to the days of not using anesthetics to saw off limbs as they did in Nelson's time.

With no pain relief before or after, just give them a bottle of rum and tell them it will pass.

I am not saying don't use pain killers, but I am interested why the USA uses 80% of the worlds production of them?

[ncn]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

I too am pleased that your leg is still there, many have lost not only a leg but all limbs.

Please don't tell me you are advocating that doctors should not use pain killers and modern day medicine to help pain relief which has come on by leaps and bound since the 60's. ?

Perhaps we could go back to the days of not using anesthetics to saw off limbs as they did in Nelson's time.

With no pain relief before or after, just give them a bottle of rum and tell them it will pass.

I am not saying don't use pain killers, but I am interested why the USA uses 80% of the worlds production of them?

Medical Insurance companies pay for them, big business, doctors are encouraged to prescribe them ?

I dont live in the USA so should levae this thred , plus dont get me started on PD medication which would derail the thread.

[OneLight]

It seems that in the US doctors believe that the pill can solve problems. They do not solve anything, just mask them, especially pain meds. They do not remove the reason for the pain, they just mask the pain. People are so use to "feeling good" that they automatically reach for the meds when they start feeling bad.

[Fez]

maybe we've just turned into a bunch of wusses and can't stand to be uncomfortable..... i injured my knee in the service and they screwed up fixing it and it's hurt just about all the time since 1968..... a long time ago an old country doctor told me that I had two choices..... learn to live with it or die an early death from the complications of the pain killing drugs.

It took me three years to learn to ignore my leg........ and now with so many of our people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan all blown to pieces, I'm just thankful that it's still there to hurt.

I too am pleased that your leg is still there, many have lost not only a leg but all limbs.

Please don't tell me you are advocating that doctors should not use pain killers and modern day medicine to help pain relief which has come on by leaps and bound since the 60's. ?

Perhaps we could go back to the days of not using anesthetics to saw off limbs as they did in Nelson's time.

With no pain relief before or after, just give them a bottle of rum and tell them it will pass.

I am not saying don't use pain killers, but I am interested why the USA uses 80% of the worlds production of them?

Medical Insurance companies pay for them, big business, doctors are encouraged to prescribe them ?

I dont live in the USA so should levae this thred , plus dont get me started on PD medication which would derail the thread.

Don't worry, you can't really derail it,because I have no agenda, and i would like to hear your views. Most of our doctors here will consult with you for 5 minutes and give you a ream of prescriptions. It's one reason why I like my doctor. We are in a small town and he is an old small town doctor. He takes his time, up to 30 minutes or longer, chatting, with his unlit pipe in his mouth. Like something from a TV series.....