Revelation 1:7

[ayin jade]

Blindwhale Im really curious. What was the purpose of Jesus on earth when He was here? Are you saved? If so, what was the means of your salvation?

[BlessedByTheBest]

 

and here i was thinking my thread couldn't go out any further past left field.  lol

 

i'll ask you a question blindwhale, although i am wary of what you will say next..

 

in your opinion, who are the "ascended ones"?

 

 

The ascended ones are the keepers of truth, life and destiny. They possess all wisdom and knowledge, but teach humanity to follow good morals. For they raise up others to be ascended and to work by their side. If what they knew fell into the hands of mankind today, it would be abused and violate the principles of managing life. I do not believe they see humanity fit to run planetary life when they have not even come close to perfecting their own world. The 144,000 for example, will be the chosen ones to make up the body of Christ's government. We're here to learn truth and perfect our hearts so we can see how it's meant to be. We'll be shown the true way of life for our enduring belief.

 

ok, so is this personal revelation you have received, or is this something you could show to be true through the Bible?  

i would even consider some extra-biblical sources if what they state is confirmed in the Bible.

 

you will need the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses to establish this as truth.

[blindwhale]

Let's take another look at your words.  You stated that "Great mother ships and awesome technologies will escort Christ here."  Sure sounds like an alien race with mother ships ... where do they come from?

 

My response:

My belief comes from the vision of a dream I had during a time I was doing a lot of reading in the scriptures and also fasting. I was focusing on Revelation at that time and I received a vision that overwhelmed me with emotion and was awe inspiring. They say when you receive God-given dreams that they're meant for you, thus your interpretation should be derived from what you felt. All I know is that the Four Angels of the Apocalypse were represented by a black circle that flew to the earth then morphed into four distinct mother ships as the armies of the world prepared for war.

 

To me, this vision is saying our heaven will meet our earth. These invaders are here to destroy 1/3 part of humanity (according to the bible) and since God is not wicked, it requires that the faithful of heart be ascended from the coming destruction. I also experienced and felt this ascension which was enlightening to me for I got to experience the feeling of going off into spirit form.

 

Where? I do not know. I am under the impression that the earth is heaven's footstool and wherever that location is, is also the orgin of the angels. If I could simply say the Sun is the lake of fire and the Moon is heaven and earth is in between these two places I'd be relieved....  but I can't. Also I do not understand the physical implications regarding origin however I perceived the two could physically meet in our dimension of space. As for how I will not speculate because I do not comprehend such things.

 

 

 

Great mother ships and awesome technologies will escort Christ here. All the world will shiver and yield to His Glory.

 

Then you go on to say that Christ is from the far future.  How can this be when He is everywhere at once and does not live in the same time frame as we do?

 

My Response:

Technically one could say Christ is from the past since our knowing of Him comes from history. However Christ spoke of many things regarding current times and He also spoke about the future (and end of days) in parables, etc. From this stance I claim His wisdom derives from God for the future's sake. His message was for all humanity. Now if we caught up to Christ in this very moment, would we step into the future? Certainly, however Christ exists, is the future for our one and only goal is to find Him and be with Him. Therefore this is how I claim Christ is from the future, the path we Christians seek to follow.

 

 

 

Christ is from the far future basically and has access to all technology ever made.The ancients couldn't describe it like we could today.

 

Then you add another sci-fi touch about beaming us to different worlds.

 

My response:

The spirit or soul exists without the body.  I am simply implying a method exists for the transport of ones soul to and from a body. When Christ died, His spirit ascended and was then sent back 3 days later to resurrect. This is entirely what I mean regarding "beaming us to different worlds". God has the power to send the soul and take the soul. It's simply the method of transport and exists as part of the cycle of life. I consider this very thing to be a "technology of God". Considering that my claim is from my earth mind, this is my comprehension of such things.

 

 

They have the technology to beam your soul to different worlds and catch you upon death.

 

I would like to know where you found this in scripture, or is this some personal theory of yours because you like sci-fi?

 

Genesis 28:12

"And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. "

 

How do you think God's messengers got sent into the earth? They traveled in the spirit and descended onto earth. The method is known as "swapping". God's angel goes into the body and the body's soul ascends into heaven.

Blindwhale Im really curious. What was the purpose of Jesus on earth when He was here? Are you saved? If so, what was the means of your salvation?

My Response:

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

 

I accepted the blood of Christ, I received my baptism, I do love God and I do my best to love those around me.

 

Christ's purpose was out of love and the very acts in the bible regarding His entire existence is proof of love for God gave the only begotten Son to shed the light of truth onto us. My heart connects to the testimony of Christ, so therefore I do believe I am saved.

 

 

 

and here i was thinking my thread couldn't go out any further past left field.  lol

 

i'll ask you a question blindwhale, although i am wary of what you will say next..

 

in your opinion, who are the "ascended ones"?

 

 

The ascended ones are the keepers of truth, life and destiny. They possess all wisdom and knowledge, but teach humanity to follow good morals. For they raise up others to be ascended and to work by their side. If what they knew fell into the hands of mankind today, it would be abused and violate the principles of managing life. I do not believe they see humanity fit to run planetary life when they have not even come close to perfecting their own world. The 144,000 for example, will be the chosen ones to make up the body of Christ's government. We're here to learn truth and perfect our hearts so we can see how it's meant to be. We'll be shown the true way of life for our enduring belief.

 

ok, so is this personal revelation you have received, or is this something you could show to be true through the Bible?  

i would even consider some extra-biblical sources if what they state is confirmed in the Bible.

 

you will need the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses to establish this as truth.

 

 

My Response:

Isaiah 65:17 "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

 

heavens (plural) earth (singular)

 

It is what I feel when I look upon the stars. The ascended ones go to heaven and live true life by the side of Christ's rule and power.

It means that your love, your convictions and your beliefs become your acceptance which forms into your true nature. Should you discover your true nature and ascend, then you will sit at the right hand of God. You will witness creation and the inner-workings of God as an ascended being while living in the image of God.

 

Just as well as

 

Rev 14:1 "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads."

 

implies duty under the Christ. Ascending has further purpose and when you surrender to the fact that God is sovereignly in control of all things, then you can begin to understand there is an underlying purpose for the ascended brothers and sisters of righteousness.

 

Try to also remember the very fact: God does not create sin. It was the serpent that deceived mankind. God creates only eternal heavens throughout the universe. The earth is the sinful dwelling place or "Garden of Eden" from where all life stems. God would not create and fill an entire universe full of sin and despair from the plagues of humanity.

 

The light is so vast, so powerful, so overwhelming, it entirely surrounds the earth. God creates many heavens, but only one earth.

 

Now, does that sound like the method an ascended master would use to manage the universe? Or do you think God would fill it full of earths and sin? That is the serpent's lie. The belief in aliens and NASA's portrayal of the galaxies are entirely fictional. Mankind cannot reach the heavens without ascension.

 

Earth is their campfire. It is also known as "the ant farm". They all sit around it waiting to see what beautiful things shall ascend up from it. Though from time to time, as you may know, some ascended ones are thrown back to the earth and descended... just like Satan was for his betrayal. Now Satan is living his last lie and illusion, cracking from the pressure of knowing the time runs out when the eternal heavens and earth meet in real time.

 

Edited August 17, 2013 by blindwhale

[BlessedByTheBest]

 

 

 

and here i was thinking my thread couldn't go out any further past left field.  lol

 

i'll ask you a question blindwhale, although i am wary of what you will say next..

 

in your opinion, who are the "ascended ones"?

 

 

The ascended ones are the keepers of truth, life and destiny. They possess all wisdom and knowledge, but teach humanity to follow good morals. For they raise up others to be ascended and to work by their side. If what they knew fell into the hands of mankind today, it would be abused and violate the principles of managing life. I do not believe they see humanity fit to run planetary life when they have not even come close to perfecting their own world. The 144,000 for example, will be the chosen ones to make up the body of Christ's government. We're here to learn truth and perfect our hearts so we can see how it's meant to be. We'll be shown the true way of life for our enduring belief.

 

ok, so is this personal revelation you have received, or is this something you could show to be true through the Bible?  

i would even consider some extra-biblical sources if what they state is confirmed in the Bible.

 

you will need the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses to establish this as truth.

 

 

My Response:

Isaiah 65:17 "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

 

heavens (plural) earth (singular)

 

It is what I feel when I look upon the stars. The ascended ones go to heaven and live true life by the side of Christ's rule and power.

It means that your love, your convictions and your beliefs become your acceptance which forms into your true nature. Should you discover your true nature and ascend, then you will sit at the right hand of God. You will witness creation and the inner-workings of God as an ascended being while living in the image of God.

 

Just as well as

 

Rev 14:1 "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads."

 

implies duty under the Christ. Ascending has further purpose and when you surrender to the fact that God is sovereignly in control of all things, then you can begin to understand there is an underlying purpose for the ascended brothers and sisters of righteousness.

 

Try to also remember the very fact: God does not create sin. It was the serpent that deceived mankind. God creates only eternal heavens throughout the universe. The earth is the sinful dwelling place or "Garden of Eden" from where all life stems. God would not create and fill an entire universe full of sin and despair from the plagues of humanity.

 

The light is so vast, so powerful, so overwhelming, it entirely surrounds the earth. God creates many heavens, but only one earth.

 

Now, does that sound like the method an ascended master would use to manage the universe? Or do you think God would fill it full of earths and sin? That is the serpent's lie. The belief in aliens and NASA's portrayal of the galaxies are entirely fictional. Mankind cannot reach the heavens without ascension.

 

Earth is their campfire. It is also known as "the ant farm". They all sit around it waiting to see what beautiful things shall ascend up from it. Though from time to time, as you may know, some ascended ones are thrown back to the earth and descended... just like Satan was for his betrayal. Now Satan is living his last lie and illusion, cracking from the pressure of knowing the time runs out when the eternal heavens and earth meet in real time.

 

 

 

i see, so personal revelation then.

 

it all seems very lyrical and beautifully put, but your unwarranted sensationalism and dangerous new age terms are misleading.

you could just as easily refer to those who have ascended to a higher level of existence with Christ as the saints who have been redeemed to reign with Him in glory.

 

my true nature is discovered within by its revelation without, and is made possible through the perpetual sanctification which was ignited by my belief in Christ Jesus.  

it is not discovered by any perceived effort on my behalf, outside of submitting to Papa and resisting the Fallen Cherub as the Father continues His Good Work in me.

my full redemption is not contingent upon discovering my true nature and, while only knowing in part, i am living my true life right now in alignment with my true destiny being conformed to the image of His Son.

 

my "ascension", is not determined by anything which is not given to me.

 

Isaiah 65 speaks of God's mercy and loving promise provided for the true Spiritual Israel alone.  

it speaks to the calling of all nations(Gentiles), and the rejection of but a remnant of the Jews, as well as judgements upon the wicked.

it promises a truly blessed future for His people in agreement with His will.

 

i do not see in the provided verse, or in the chapter's entirety how you have provided a witness to your testimony.

how you "feel" when you look upon the heavens is interesting, but it is not biblical.  and i believe you should express as much when presenting your statements.

 

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Rev 14:1 "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads."

 

yes, the communion of the saints in heavenly fellowship.  us in Him and Him in us, fully manifested.

the true faithful and righteous celebrating and praising the Most High.

 

but you seem to make the implication, that we are not on duty serving Christ before our "ascension".

God is sovereign over all of creation whether i surrender to that reality or not, and there is obviously a greater purpose for the fellow saints who now abide in His glory as we someday will.

 

but anything beyond this is either personal revelation, or speculation.  if it is not the latter, then you will need 2 or 3 witnesses to establish the matter as truth.

i respectfully find your visions and conclusions interesting, but as of yet, you have failed to do so.  

 

1Co 13:9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 

1Co 13:10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 

1Co 13:11  When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 

1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

love to you.

[OneLight]

I took the time to rearrange your comments to reflect the conversation we were having so better sense can be made from your post.

 

Let's take another look at your words.  You stated that "Great mother ships and awesome technologies will escort Christ here."  Sure sounds like an alien race with mother ships ... where do they come from?

Great mother ships and awesome technologies will escort Christ here. All the world will shiver and yield to His Glory.

 

My response:

My belief comes from the vision of a dream I had during a time I was doing a lot of reading in the scriptures and also fasting. I was focusing on Revelation at that time and I received a vision that overwhelmed me with emotion and was awe inspiring. They say when you receive God-given dreams that they're meant for you, thus your interpretation should be derived from what you felt. All I know is that the Four Angels of the Apocalypse were represented by a black circle that flew to the earth then morphed into four distinct mother ships as the armies of the world prepared for war.

 

To me, this vision is saying our heaven will meet our earth. These invaders are here to destroy 1/3 part of humanity (according to the bible) and since God is not wicked, it requires that the faithful of heart be ascended from the coming destruction. I also experienced and felt this ascension which was enlightening to me for I got to experience the feeling of going off into spirit form.

 

Where? I do not know. I am under the impression that the earth is heaven's footstool and wherever that location is, is also the orgin of the angels. If I could simply say the Sun is the lake of fire and the Moon is heaven and earth is in between these two places I'd be relieved....  but I can't. Also I do not understand the physical implications regarding origin however I perceived the two could physically meet in our dimension of space. As for how I will not speculate because I do not comprehend such things.

Than you do clearly admit that your belief is not based on scripture. I appreciate your honesty. I am not sure who "they" are that you are referring to, but when God gives us dreams and visions, they do not refute scripture, but backs scripture up. Your dream does not do this. What you are presenting is another religion all together ... angels coming out of a dark circle as mother ships is another religion. It does appear that since you cannot understand that God can do as it says in Revelation, you are trying to humanize this book according to worldly understanding ... sci-fi.

 

Then you go on to say that Christ is from the far future.  How can this be when He is everywhere at once and does not live in the same time frame as we do?

Christ is from the far future basically and has access to all technology ever made.The ancients couldn't describe it like we could today.

My Response:

Technically one could say Christ is from the past since our knowing of Him comes from history. However Christ spoke of many things regarding current times and He also spoke about the future (and end of days) in parables, etc. From this stance I claim His wisdom derives from God for the future's sake. His message was for all humanity. Now if we caught up to Christ in this very moment, would we step into the future? Certainly, however Christ exists, is the future for our one and only goal is to find Him and be with Him. Therefore this is how I claim Christ is from the future, the path we Christians seek to follow.

You do have some understanding, but until you study the "Omni" attributes of God, you will not full understand. God is Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Omnipresence at the same time.

 

Then you add another sci-fi touch about beaming us to different worlds.

 

They have the technology to beam your soul to different worlds and catch you upon death.

My response:

The spirit or soul exists without the body.  I am simply implying a method exists for the transport of ones soul to and from a body. When Christ died, His spirit ascended and was then sent back 3 days later to resurrect. This is entirely what I mean regarding "beaming us to different worlds". God has the power to send the soul and take the soul. It's simply the method of transport and exists as part of the cycle of life. I consider this very thing to be a "technology of God". Considering that my claim is from my earth mind, this is my comprehension of such things.

Again, you take what is in scripture and create your own "understanding" instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to teach you through scripture. Scripture tells us that when we are absent from this body, we are with Christ, not beamed onto another planet.

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

 

I would like to know where you found this in scripture, or is this some personal theory of yours because you like sci-fi?

Genesis 28:12

"And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. "

 

How do you think God's messengers got sent into the earth? They traveled in the spirit and descended onto earth. The method is known as "swapping". God's angel goes into the body and the body's soul ascends into heaven.

Who calls this "swapping"? There is not even the slightest hint of this in scripture. When Jesus came back, He returned in the same body He left with. There was no swapping. Again, man trying to put into their own words what they do not understand so they can be comfortable with the definition instead of having faith in what scripture does say.

It almost seems like you have been trying to merge Ancient Alien TV shows with scripture. I highly encourage you to forget the TV shows and science fiction and study scripture by itself.

[kwikphilly]

Dear Blindwhale,

        I don't understand your interpretation of your dream and clearly you don't either and that I understand completely -I have had many dreams and visions that I did not understand and by praying they have been either confirmed by 2 or three,or disproved.I cannot begin to imagine how John must have felt after being taken up to heaven an given Revelation....glory to God!!!!!!And then ,seeing things from the future(perhaps tanks,fighter jets,who knows?)not having ever seen or even imagined anything like it ,Did His best by Gods inspiration to describe these events and put them into words!!!!!Perhaps you have been given a glimpse of something that you can only describe as things you have seen....pray about it my brother.

        There has been much debate on this forum concerning pre and post trib,amongst many other scriptoral interpretations,the WORLDS leading theoloegins,professors in apologetics and renowned Biblical experts argue their differences and points of view.....the fact of the matter is,who is to say what one perceives ....but I tell you this,I just pray....I pray when this deception comes upon the earth(before,during,after)...and that (we all can agree on),,,,I pray that none of us be deceived,I pray that we all can be together with our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus for all eternity.....I pray that we can hod fast until the entire earth sees the One we have confessed to everyone we can....I just pray......

         Anyone who is given a dream or vision can only prophecy in part and therefore we must carefully discern  that which is of God and be mindful that it is for the building up of the church and we should phrase these things to encourage.....Blindwhale you must earnestly pray as to whether or not you need to pray about this situation ,ask others to pray about it or what Gods purpose of showing you a vision  is for(if in fact it is from God)...weigh carefully what you prophecy

         I only write these things because I love you all my brothers and sisters and just want to ask you all to join me in prayer for each other that we will all be lead in spirit and in truth as we are seeing the birth pains of the beginning of sorrows.......we need each other!

                                                                                                                 God bless us all in the name of Jesus,Kwik

Edited August 17, 2013 by kwikphilly