A community who don't even kiss until they are married.

[Fez]

Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman." But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.

 

So there is some more of 1 cr 7, in which it's clear he's addressing something the Corinthians wrote and saying that sure, if you have the gift that I have to remain celibate, do that, but look not everyone does therefore marriage is a good thing. They were clearly talking about not being married, and trying to avoid sexual relations altogether. Paul did not say it is good for everyone, but only for some, and everyone else should marry.

So sex before marriage is OK?

[JTC]

This is the best thing I've heard in a long, long time.  Not kissing is not necessary, but if the couple knows it will lead them to more, then better not to kiss.

 

When I was in HS I had only 1 real gf. She wanted to be a virgin on her wedding day and I respected her for that. We kissed, but never had intercourse. I fell completely in love with her. I wanted to marry her but she said she'd never marry because of an illness she had. Her mother and brother found a way to break us up because I was a stupid jealous kid. But my plan was to marry her and we'd have intercourse on our wedding night. But she married someone else. I still know her and occasionally speak to her. I still feel love for her. I'm not saying our marriage would have always gone smoothly, I'm sure we would have had our fights. But I would have never left her, and I'm pretty sure I would have never cheated on her. I wanted the kind of marriage and life God says we should have. Back then, she did too. I guess Satan won. Maybe not our souls, but he did prevent us from having a holy marriage.

 

If these people want this badly enough, they will have it. God will bless them and keep them safe from the ways of this sinful world. 

[CAP73]

I think it's really more what the kids want, not their parents.

[LadyKay]

What I find intresting is that I think it say alot about our society today when waiting untill marrage to have sex is consider interesting enough to have a tv show about.

[nebula]

I find it sad that people want to speak downward on those who want to keep purity in their love-relationship.

 

First I will point out that everyone is different, and what is needed for one is not needed for another.

 

But the core is that we should celebrate those that take whatever extreme is necessary to keep pure.

 

My now-husband and had previously committed to God to remain sexually pure in His eyes with our relationship. He seeks the Lord on things, and his sense from the Lord was to not kiss during the time we were dating/courting/developing our relationship. However, we were allowed the freedom to kiss cheeks, noses, foreheads, arms, etc., and we found a kind of joy in such that we most likely would not have known had we engaged in mouth-mouth kissing. We also discovered that by not kissing on the mouth, it kept us guarded by default not to go any further. And I believe here is the key to this reasoning. If a couple wants to remain sexually pure, they need to do what it takes to guard against falling into temptation - and not kissing mouth-mouth is an awesome guard! No, it's not easy, but neither is resisting any other temptation.

 

Do I think it should be a rule not to kiss on the lips before marriage? No. We were actually given the freedom to kiss such after we became engaged. But we discovered that by then we had developed resistance enough that we were OK to not go further. (Besides, it was actually good for me to loosen up - being a 41 year-old virgin, that's a lot of years to suppress one's sexual urges, especially against a culture that's immersed in sexuality and sexual expression.) But that is what was useful and beneficial to us. My brother on the other hand was told (what he sensed from the Lord) to not kiss until marriage.

 

Thus, we should encourage whatever guards are needed for each couple to remain pure, being aware that what is needed for one couple is different from another. Setting guards on kissing is a very good guard, and we should not mock or look down on those who take this route.

[Guest]

..... They aren't more 'pure' for not kissing. Why would that even be argued? If a specifc couple decides that they will better obey the gospel (i.e. kissing is too much of a temptation for actually sinning) then great, good for them. But, that is not the case for many people. They aren't any better, or worse, than a couple who doesn't participate in this. They certainly are not more pure. This is not a biblical position.

 

The Joy

 

I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid? Job 31:1

Of Holiness

 

Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Proverbs 4:23

 

Comes From The LORD

 

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Hebrew 13:4

 

Whereas The Agony Of Sin

 

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:13-15

 

Comes From The Heart Of Flesh

 

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. Mark 26:41

 

As I Read It

 

Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well.

Let thy fountains be dispersed abroad, and rivers of waters in the streets.

Let them be only thine own, and not strangers' with thee.

Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love. Proverbs 5:15-19

 

~

 

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

 

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest]

I find it sad that people want to speak downward on those who want to keep purity in their love-relationship.

 

First I will point out that everyone is different, and what is needed for one is not needed for another.

 

But the core is that we should celebrate those that take whatever extreme is necessary to keep pure.

 

My now-husband and had previously committed to God to remain sexually pure in His eyes with our relationship. He seeks the Lord on things, and his sense from the Lord was to not kiss during the time we were dating/courting/developing our relationship. However, we were allowed the freedom to kiss cheeks, noses, foreheads, arms, etc., and we found a kind of joy in such that we most likely would not have known had we engaged in mouth-mouth kissing. We also discovered that by not kissing on the mouth, it kept us guarded by default not to go any further. And I believe here is the key to this reasoning. If a couple wants to remain sexually pure, they need to do what it takes to guard against falling into temptation - and not kissing mouth-mouth is an awesome guard! No, it's not easy, but neither is resisting any other temptation.

 

Do I think it should be a rule not to kiss on the lips before marriage? No. We were actually given the freedom to kiss such after we became engaged. But we discovered that by then we had developed resistance enough that we were OK to not go further. (Besides, it was actually good for me to loosen up - being a 41 year-old virgin, that's a lot of years to suppress one's sexual urges, especially against a culture that's immersed in sexuality and sexual expression.) But that is what was useful and beneficial to us. My brother on the other hand was told (what he sensed from the Lord) to not kiss until marriage.

 

Thus, we should encourage whatever guards are needed for each couple to remain pure, being aware that what is needed for one couple is different from another. Setting guards on kissing is a very good guard, and we should not mock or look down on those who take this route.

 

~

 

What A Joy It Is To Read Of Godly Love

 

Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned. Song Od Solomon 8:7

 

Between A Man And His Bride Today

 

He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love. Song Of Solomon 2:4

 

Beloved Sister You Have Blessed Me

[missmuffet]

I would just about bet you anything 6 out of 7 of those kids will get a kiss sneaked in before they're married.

I hope not.If you really think about it kissing can lead to other things.One kiss then you have to have another then another then  Like eating potatoe chips.You can't have just one.Especially if they are left anywhere alone.

[missmuffet]

 

 

I would just about bet you anything 6 out of 7 of those kids will get a kiss sneaked in before they're married.

I hope not.If you really think about it kissing can lead to other things.One kiss then you have to have another then another then  Like eating potatoe chips.You can't have just one.Especially if they are left anywhere alone.

 

You can have one kiss and leave it at that. At least, some people can, just as some people can have a handful of chips without consuming the entire bag. This depends on the individuals and their own capabilities and particular weaknesses.

 

We are weak and we are only human.The best thing is to "just say no" to the a kiss and put the bag of potato chips away.

[nebula]

 

I find it sad that people want to speak downward on those who want to keep purity in their love-relationship.

 

First I will point out that everyone is different, and what is needed for one is not needed for another.

 

But the core is that we should celebrate those that take whatever extreme is necessary to keep pure.

 

My now-husband and had previously committed to God to remain sexually pure in His eyes with our relationship. He seeks the Lord on things, and his sense from the Lord was to not kiss during the time we were dating/courting/developing our relationship. However, we were allowed the freedom to kiss cheeks, noses, foreheads, arms, etc., and we found a kind of joy in such that we most likely would not have known had we engaged in mouth-mouth kissing. We also discovered that by not kissing on the mouth, it kept us guarded by default not to go any further. And I believe here is the key to this reasoning. If a couple wants to remain sexually pure, they need to do what it takes to guard against falling into temptation - and not kissing mouth-mouth is an awesome guard! No, it's not easy, but neither is resisting any other temptation.

 

Do I think it should be a rule not to kiss on the lips before marriage? No. We were actually given the freedom to kiss such after we became engaged. But we discovered that by then we had developed resistance enough that we were OK to not go further. (Besides, it was actually good for me to loosen up - being a 41 year-old virgin, that's a lot of years to suppress one's sexual urges, especially against a culture that's immersed in sexuality and sexual expression.) But that is what was useful and beneficial to us. My brother on the other hand was told (what he sensed from the Lord) to not kiss until marriage.

 

Thus, we should encourage whatever guards are needed for each couple to remain pure, being aware that what is needed for one couple is different from another. Setting guards on kissing is a very good guard, and we should not mock or look down on those who take this route.

I don't think it ought to be celebrated if they are forcing this on other people.They aren't more 'pure' for not kissing. Why would that even be argued? If a specifc couple decides that they will better obey the gospel (i.e. kissing is too much of a temptation for actually sinning) then great, good for them. But, that is not the case for many people. They aren't any better, or worse, than a couple who doesn't participate in this. They certainly are not more pure.

This is not a biblical position.

 

 

Where do you see that this is forced?

 

As for the Biblical position - our way of "dating" isn't Biblical to begin with!

 

But how are people worse for being obedient to an authority (father) who is trying to protect them?