Our Body is our Soul and our Soul is our Body.

[Guest Thallasa]

On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2013 at 0:55 AM, Cody91 said:

I speek of them as the Mind the Body and The Spriti, the body being temporary and the mind the only part which can learn.

So ,if the mind is the learning 'part' ,it is here the beginning of 'good and evil' ,as what we choose to learn ,to put in our mind affects our bodies

 

On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2013 at 0:55 AM, Cody91 said:

I speek of them as the Mind the Body and The Spriti, the body being temporary and the mind the only part which can learn.

So if the mind is acting correctly it leads to bodily health care ,and eventually to look for, and find God who connects with their spirit (part )and transforms us into His creatures ,spiritual ones  .This is why those that are wishing to corrupt us, start with the mind by corrupting it with false knowledge ,then corrupting the body ,and finally only an evil spirit can live in this place, if there is no repentance and renewal by God by His Spirit  ..

[thereselittleflower]

On 12/19/2015 at 0:30 PM, HAZARD said:

Every living thing has a soul and spirit. The soul is that which feels and the spirit is that which knows. Animals have both feelings and knowledge although somewhat limited and on a much lower scale than that of man. Animals were not created in the likeness of God as men are. They are a lower type of life and they have souls and spirits in the sense of feelings, emotions, appetites, desires, passions, and a low form of knowledge, as can be seen in may Scriptures. If there are horses in Heaven as the Scriptures teach then there must be all kinds of animals there for Heaven is called a better place, and therefore it is sure to be as good as the Earth (Hebrews 11:10-16).

Scriptures teach that there is a difference between the natural spirit of man and the spirit of beasts (Eccl. 3:21); that there is a difference between "breath" and "spirit" (Job 34:15; Ps. 19:7; Luke 12:19; 1 Cor. 5:5; 2 Cor. 7:1) ; and that each creature has a separate spirit which is not a part of God (Num. 16:22; 27:17; Eccl. 3:21 ; Ezek. 21:7; Dan. 2:1-3; Mal. 2:15-16; Prov. 16:2; 1 Cor. 2:10-12; 14:32; Heb. 12:9, 23; 1 Thess. 5:23).

Eccl. 3:21 states this; "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

This suggests to me that animals which are on the Earth, not those in Heaven, that die on the Earth, their spirit remains or returns to the earth.

Or man has a soul which both feels  and reacts to the body and world around it through it's lower faculties, and also thinks, reasons, and exercises the will through the higher faculties of the soul by which it also communes with God and experiences the spiritual realm (and sometimes referred to as our spirit in this sense).

 

[MorningGlory]

A body is corruptible, it dies.  The soul and the spirit does not.  This subject is too New Age for me. 

[thereselittleflower]

1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

"Chapter 1 – Soul and Spirit

Worthy Christian Library » Jesse Penn-Lewis » Soul and Spirit » Chapter 1 – Soul and Spirit

THE ignorance of Christians concerning the distinction between " soul " and " spirit " is very general, and is a primary cause of the lack of full growth in the spiritual life in many devoted and earnest believers. G. H. Pember points out as the cause of this ignorance the popular phraseology of " soul and body ", which has caused a deficiency in the English language. He says that although we have the nouns " spirit and soul "which are too often treated as synonyms-we have no adjective from the latter, with the consequence that the omission of such an adjective has almost concealed man's tripartite nature in the versions of the English Bible, where the " Greek word which signifies ` pertaining to the soul ' " is sometimes rendered " natural " and sometimes " sensual " (see I Corinthians 2:14, James 3:15, Jude 19).

Of course Greek scholars

know well the different words in the original

which stand for spirit pneuma;

soul-psuche;

flesh-sarx;

but to the generality of Christians these distinctions are veiled*,..." 

http://www.worthychristianlibrary.com/jesse-penn-lewis/soul-and-spirit/chapter-1-soul-and-spirit/

*hidden, not known.

I disagree with this entry, but I think you already knew that.

Here is why I disagree and this might help better illustrate my understanding

 

 

 

To understand what this means,  the bible speaks of souls not just of man, but of animals:

•  

  Gen 1:30

  And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

 

Life is  נֶפֶשׁ nephesh, neh'-fesh

• soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion

 

To speak of a material soul is to speak of a soul is dependent on matter "to be and to do" and when the physical body dies, it will cease to exist.

Man does not have a material soul.  Animals do.

 

Man has a spiritual soul   - it is both soul and spirit in nature.   It does not depend on matter "to be and to do" and when the physical body dies, it continues to exist.

 

What many people don't realize is that the belief in man as a tripart being actually originated with the gnostics, and was later taken up by Apollinarus of Laodicea.

 

• Apollinarianism was a 4th-century explanation of the nature of Jesus Christ that was rejected by the Christian church. Its author, Apollinaris of Laodicea (310-90), trying to arrive at a formula that would explain how Jesus could be both human and divine, taught that human beings were composed of body, soul, and spirit, and that in Jesus the human spirit was replaced by the Logos, or the second person of the Trinity. This teaching was opposed by Athanasius, Basil the Great, Gregory of Nazianzus, and Gregory of Nyssa because they thought it implied that Christ was not fully human. Apollinarianism was declared a heresy by the First Council of Constantinople in 381.

• Apollinarianism

  General Information

  Apollinarianism was a heretical doctrine taught by Apollinaris the Younger, bishop of Laodicea in Syria during the 4th century. A controversial theologian, he maintained that the Logos, or divine nature in Christ, took the place of the rational human soul or mind of Christ and that the body of Christ was a spiritualized and glorified form of humanity. This doctrine was condemned as a heresy by Roman councils in 377 and in 381 and also by the Council of Constantinople in 381. In spite of its repeated condemnation, Apollinarianism persisted into the 5th century. At that time its remaining adherents merged with the Monophysites, who held that Christ had a divine nature but no human nature.

  .. Apollinarianism was the harbinger of the great Christological battles which pitted Antioch against Alexandria

• The central deviation of Apollinarianism from the later Chalcedonian orthodoxy began in a Platonic trichtomy. Man was seen to be body, sensitive soul, and rational soul. Apollinaris felt that if one failed to diminish the human nature of Jesus in some way, a dualism had to result. Furthermore, if one taught that Christ was a complete man, then Jesus had a human rational soul in which free will resided; and wherever there was free will, there was sin. Therefore it followed that the Logos assumed only a body and its closely connected sensitive soul. The Logos or Word himself took the place of the rational soul (or spirit or nous) in the manhood of Jesus. Thus one can speak of "the one sole nature incarnate of the Word of God." This doctrine was developed by Apollinaris in his Demonstration of the Divine Incarnation, which was written in 376 in response to the initial papal condemnation.

  Apollinaris was a prolific writer, but following his anathematization in 381 his works were assiduously sought out and burned. Thus Apollinarianism leaves little literature except as cited in the works of its critics. The general principle on which Apollinarianism was condemned was the Eastern perception that "that which is not assumed is not healed." If the Logos did not assume the rational soul of the man Jesus, then the death of Christ could not heal or redeem the rational souls of men. And as the church wrestled with this perception it rejected Apollinarianism and moved toward the Chalcedonian Definition, which rebuked and corrected both Antioch and Alexandria in their extremes: "This selfsame one is perfect both in deity and also in humanness; this selfsame one is also actually God and actually man, with a rational soul and a body."

• Scripture holds that the Logos assumed all that is human -- therefore the pneuma also -- sin alone excepted; that Jesus experienced joy and sadness, both being properties of the rational soul.

  Christ without a rational soul is not a man; such an incongruous compound, as that imagined by Apollinaris, can neither be called God-man nor stand as the model of Christian life.

  What Christ has not assumed He has not healed; thus the noblest portion of man is excluded from Redemption.

  They also pointed out the correct meaning of the Scriptural passages alleged by Apollinaris, remarking that the word sarx in St. John, as in other parts of Holy Writ, was used by synecdoche for the whole human nature, and that the true meaning of St. Paul (Philippians and I Corinthians) was determined by the clear teaching of the Pastoral Epistles. 

 

http://mb-soft.com/believe/txn/apollin.htm

 

 

 

 

[FresnoJoe]

On ‎12‎/‎1‎/‎2013 at 2:59 PM, Brigg Devin said:

Before being saved, reborn as some would term it, we are spiritually dead.

Some

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3

Would

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7

Term it

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Peter 1:23

[thereselittleflower]

     

On 11/29/2013 at 5:05 AM, chloe_fantastic said:

God did have the Bible written in a manner that can be understood.

 

Isaiah 1:18

“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool.

 

We really want to understand what you're communicating and I'm sure you want to be understood. Can you work with us a little?

 

Maybe we could try with the portion of your post OneLight posted:

 

 "The mentality of bondage/curse/or labor to become, is not a partaker in the promise, the promise being something that is given (received by faith as being yours presently), and in symbolism is like the moon, shinning but having no light of it's own which in scripture speaks of the woman, as the woman in picture speaks to our soul."

 

How about just explaining the bolded part?

Yes He did - to the peoples of the time in their own language.

 

 

[enoob57]

16 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

A body is corruptible, it dies.  The soul and the spirit does not.  This subject is too New Age for me. 

When ever a topic tries to elevate the things that pass away... one must know the source of that!  

[thereselittleflower]

Yes the source is always important.

 

Where did the idea of the trichotomy of man, that man is body, soul and spirit, come from?

It actually predated Christianity:

•  The Gnostics prior to Christianity taught that man is composed of body, soul, and spirit. The body and the soul are man's earthly existence, and were considered evil. Enclosed in mans soul, is the spirit, a divine substance of man. This “spirit” was asleep and ignorant and needed to be awakened. It could only be liberated by this special knowledge, that would be called by the modern term illumination. (This teaching is also found in Caballa.)

  http://www.letusreason.org/Current48.htm

Why does this sound so familiar?   Why has this concept been taken up by christians today?

• As this source explains:

  Unfortunately, traces of Gnostic thought continue to permeate the thinking of many well-meaning Christians today. For example, some Christians think that only two things will last into eternity: God's Word and the souls of men and women—an emphasis on the spiritual and an exclusion of the physical. But this is wrong. The Bible explicitly teaches that not only will these two last into eternity but so will our bodies, in a glorified state (John 5:28–29; 1 Corinthians 15:42–44).

  The implication that the spirit is more important than the body is the reason why an answer of "true" to any question in our quiz is incorrect. James warns us that "pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world" (James 1:27). However, don't make the mistake that believing the converse is true either, that the body is more important than the spirit. Both have equal importance in the eyes of God. Paul said, "Whether . . . you eat or drink or whatever you do [including praying and sharing the gospel], do all to the glory of God" (1 Corinthians 10:31). So let's glorify God by correcting any warped ideas that our minds—the spiritual part of us—are more important than matter—the physical part of us. 

   http://www.insight.org/resources/articles/church-history/mind-over-matter.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/#sthash.uTvA9jgF.dpuf

   

Something to consider is how does this affect otherwise well meaning christians in day to day life?  

The questions he refers to were asked at the beginning of the article:

 

Take this simple true or false quiz.

Ready?

 

• Prayer is more important than mowing your widowed grandmother's lawn.
• Sharing the gospel is more important than taking a meal to a new mother and father just home from the hospital.
• Doing "sacred" work, such as preaching or being a missionary, is more important than "secular" work, such as accounting or being a lawyer.

 

If you answered "true" to any of these questions, you've been deceived by the ancient heresy of Gnosticism.

 

http://www.insight.org/resources/articles/church-history/mind-over-matter.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/#sthash.uTvA9jgF.dpuf

 

 

We often see in scriptures that often man is only spoken of as body and soul.

Only once in scripture does it say  body, soul and spirit.

And then in another place the scriptures say    

Matthew 22:37

And He said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'

Heart

Soul

Mind

and to this we add, of course,

Body

This has man being 4 parts.

Again there is only one verse that speaks of 4 parts of man.

 

So we have one verse that speaks of 4 parts of man,   

one verse that speaks of 3 parts of man

 

And we have many verses which speak of man as only having 2 parts - body and soul.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shar]

On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2015 at 3:35 PM, thereselittleflower said:

Man's body was formed from the dust of the earth before he became a living soul.

Man did not become a living soul until God breathed into Him life.    Man's body was completely formed before that happened.

I find no scriptural support for your pov.

I agree with thereselittleflower.  That is true and sighted so within the Scriptures.  It also says the breath returns to God upon death.

[Riverwalker]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but....

 

5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

² For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

³ If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

⁴ For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

⁵ Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

⁶ Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

⁷ (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

⁸ We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.