Predestination Ouestions

[Openly Curious]

I know that there are a lot of schools of thought concerning predestination.  But are all predestined to salvation?

 

I have my own personal views and beliefs concerning predestination so this thread (for me at least) is to gain futher knowledge and enlightenment into the subject of predestination through the discussion that might come about. 

[Guest man]

I know that there are a lot of schools of thought concerning predestination.  But are all predistined to salvation?

 

I have my own personal views and beliefs concerning predestination so this thread (for me at least) is to gain futher knowledge and enlightenment into the subject of predestination through the discussion that might come about. 

 

 

I believe we are. I believe everyone's name is in the Book of Life and the decision to remove it or let it remain isn't made until the time of our death. The thief on the cross didn't acknowledge Christ until just before before his death and I believe God gives everyone that same opportunity. We see verses that speak of blotting out names, but I've never seen any that speak of adding names to the book. Maybe there is, I just haven't seen one.

 

Anyway, that's what I believe. 

[WIP]

The simplest way I can explain it is that whoever you are is the person you were created to be, whether that person is good or evil.  If you were created to be saved, you will be saved, and if you were created to be lost, you will be lost.  Nothing happens by accident, and nobody is really saved by their own decision.  If you made the decision to accept Christ, it is only because he pre-destined that you would accept Christ.  It is because the Father decided to reveal Jesus to you.  If you rejected Christ, it is because the Father chose not to open your eyes to where you would have the faith or desire to get saved. 

 

I agree.

Matt 22:14  Many are called but few are chosen.

[other one]

are you really saying that God created a number of people specifically to  burn in hell forever?

[missmuffet]

Yes,I believe in predestination Romans 8:29-30.God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likness of His son,be called,justified,and glorified.He predetermines that certain individuals will be saved.Do you think that is unfair?No one deserves to be saved.We all have sinned.Therefore God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend and eternity in hell.If God is choosing who is saved,doesn't that undermine our free will to chose and believe in Christ?The Bible says that we all have a choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved.The Bible never says that God will reject anyone.

[MorningGlory]

Yes,I believe in predestination Romans 8:29-30.God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likness of His son,be called,justified,and glorified.He predetermines that certain individuals will be saved.Do you think that is unfair?No one deserves to be saved.We all have sinned.Therefore God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend and eternity in hell.If God is choosing who is saved,doesn't that undermine our free will to chose and believe in Christ?The Bible says that we all have a choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved.The Bible never says that God will reject anyone.

 

 

I read the above twice and I can't tell if you believe in predestination or not, Bopeep.  Can you clarify?  Personally, I don't.  He gave us free will for a reason. 

[Openly Curious]

 

I know that there are a lot of schools of thought concerning predestination.  But are all predistined to salvation?

 

I have my own personal views and beliefs concerning predestination so this thread (for me at least) is to gain futher knowledge and enlightenment into the subject of predestination through the discussion that might come about. 

 

 

I believe we are. I believe everyone's name is in the Book of Life and the decision to remove it or let it remain isn't made until the time of our death. The thief on the cross didn't acknowledge Christ until just before before his death and I believe God gives everyone that same opportunity. We see verses that speak of blotting out names, but I've never seen any that speak of adding names to the book. Maybe there is, I just haven't seen one.

 

Anyway, that's what I believe. 

 

 

 

Hi man,  I also believe that we are all predestined to salvation as well.  I think that God does have a record of everyone who is born into the earth written down being the book of life as you've mentioned.  But I also believe that God has a record of every person who has been born again as well known as the lambs book of life.  I believe there is a record of names of all those born in the earthly family and I believe there is a second record of the names of those who have been born into the family of God (Ephesians 3:15 - Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named....Ephesians 1:10 - That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in "heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: ).     I also believe along with you that as long as there is breath in the body there is hope of salvation to anyone who in simply faith would call upon the name of the Lord would be saved.

 

I think when it comes to the subject of everyone being predestined to salvation it doesn't have anything to do with being blotted out of the lambs book of life.  Instead it has to do with the plan of God in which he had before even the foundations of the earth was laid.

Thanks for your reply

   

[missmuffet]

 

Yes,I believe in predestination Romans 8:29-30.God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likness of His son,be called,justified,and glorified.He predetermines that certain individuals will be saved.Do you think that is unfair?No one deserves to be saved.We all have sinned.Therefore God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend and eternity in hell.If God is choosing who is saved,doesn't that undermine our free will to chose and believe in Christ?The Bible says that we all have a choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved.The Bible never says that God will reject anyone.

 

 

I read the above twice and I can't tell if you believe in predestination or not, Bopeep.  Can you clarify?  Personally, I don't.  He gave us free will for a reason. 

 

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[missmuffet]

 

Yes,I believe in predestination Romans 8:29-30.God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likness of His son,be called,justified,and glorified.He predetermines that certain individuals will be saved.Do you think that is unfair?No one deserves to be saved.We all have sinned.Therefore God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend and eternity in hell.If God is choosing who is saved,doesn't that undermine our free will to chose and believe in Christ?The Bible says that we all have a choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved.The Bible never says that God will reject anyone.

He won't reject anyone, but if you were not pre-destined saved, you won't accept the Lord.  The Father won't reveal Christ to you, or you will reject him.  I don't believe we really have free will in this decision?  Yes, we may have prayed a sinner's prayer, and chosen to do so, but flesh and blood didn't reveal Christ to us.  The Father did.  Without that revelation, we couldn't have been saved, so in reality, being saved or lost is in God's control.  He is the potter, and we are but clay.

 

One of my favorite prayers  Jesus,you are the potter and I am the clay please mold me into who You want me to be.He is working on that.

[Openly Curious]

The simplest way I can explain it is that whoever you are is the person you were created to be, whether that person is good or evil.  If you were created to be saved, you will be saved, and if you were created to be lost, you will be lost.  Nothing happens by accident, and nobody is really saved by their own decision.  If you made the decision to accept Christ, it is only because he pre-destined that you would accept Christ.  It is because the Father decided to reveal Jesus to you.  If you rejected Christ, it is because the Father chose not to open your eyes to where you would have the faith or desire to get saved. 

 

Hi Butero,  I want to say upfront that I do not believe that God created certain people to be good and created others to be evil.  That to me is obviously seen in the scriptures "before" the fall in the garden.  It wasn't until their eyes were opened that the heart of man was darkened.  It was after the fall when you begin to see evil growing and abounding in the earth more and more.  An example of my point is found in...(Genesis 6:5-7 - And God saw that the wickedness of man was great, in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.  And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.  And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repented me that I have made them).    Man began to be shapen in inquity (sin) after the fall not before.  And there are not some born to be good and some to be evil all were born into sin guilty before God.

 

I'm not really sure what you mean when you say that "not everyone is saved by their own decision"  because when in distress I have to call on the Lord or he will not hear me.  Perhaps I mis-reading here but there is an "act" of faith on the part of individuals when it comes to God as well as an "act of will" in regards to one's salvation.  I'll leave it at that for right now thanks for your reply.