JustinM Posted January 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted January 24, 2014 quote Enoch2021: "The problem as I see it is..... a lack of differentiating between: "Scientific Claims" and Claims that Scientists make." Bingo. The hubris demonstrated by these observers of the created world, blinds them from the Creator. Scientists have commited their lives to studying the created world. That's fine, it's a nice hobby, and sometimes those observations have been good, and sometimes they have been destructive. I'm not saying there's no value in what they are doing, but what they are doing is meaningless if they only rely on their observations to tell them what does and does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted January 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted January 24, 2014 quote Enoch2021: "The problem as I see it is..... a lack of differentiating between: "Scientific Claims" and Claims that Scientists make." Bingo. The hubris demonstrated by these observers of the created world, blinds them from the Creator. Scientists have commited their lives to studying the created world. That's fine, it's a nice hobby, and sometimes those observations have been good, and sometimes they have been destructive. I'm not saying there's no value in what they are doing, but what they are doing is meaningless if they only rely on their observations to tell them what does and does not exist. We are of One Accord Sir!! That doesn't surprise me...since you (are/were?) Military. I just retired a few years ago after 20 some years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted January 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Still serving, though there will be 18000 fewer of us in the Air Force by 2016. The cuts to the military and its budget have been brutal, much worse than anything this country has ever faced. I could say that PBHO is hostile to the military and it wouldn't be an exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted January 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Still serving, though there will be 18000 fewer of us in the Air Force by 2016. The cuts to the military and its budget have been brutal, much worse than anything this country has ever faced. I could say that PBHO is hostile to the military and it wouldn't be an exaggeration. Yes, I just heard about that. I went through something similar in 91' (my 2nd departure from the Military ...I came back off of leave suitcase in my hand and the 1SG said, if you wanna get out head over to the Personnel Office......All you seen was elbows and knees and a very lonely suitcase LOL ) They always screw it up....in a few years, there will be a mad dash to enlist more Best wishes to you Praise The LORD!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted January 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Enjoyed reading the great male bonding here fellows. We needed the break. I thank both of you gentlemen and anyone else on WCF who have served in the armed forces. Thanks for all you have done and or are still doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Enjoyed reading the great male bonding here fellows. We needed the break. I thank both of you gentlemen and anyone else on WCF who have served in the armed forces. Thanks for all you have done and or are still doing. You are welcome sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Ok, I just spent the last 12 hours researching this "Light" thing....I have alot of spare time and I have a severe case of (Type A) and other issues LOL (of which I'm sure, I will get TOTAL AGREEMENT on: types, cause and severity). Here's what I got..... Been through (just a glimpse): one way- velocity of light, conventionality of simultaneity, Special Relativity in relation to the previous two, calculated time vs observed time, Isotropic vs Anisotropic, Euclidean Distance and Riemannian Distance (curved Space) I'm done with it!! I feel like hitting something!! So I said, there has to be an obvious answer....Let this be a lesson for ya: (Genesis 1:14-15) "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so." "And it was So"....it wasn't so 2,10,15,100,2000, or 14 Billion Years. It was Instantaneous!! How do I know, Because GOD SAID SO!! And HE was There!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Except that God didn't make the stars on "day" 3, He made visible what was already in existence. The word that is translated as "made" or "created" is not the same word used in earlier verses. This word means to "accomplish, bestow, or bring to completion". Edited January 25, 2014 by LookingForAnswers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2014 Been through (just a glimpse): one way- velocity of light, conventionality of simultaneity, Special Relativity in relation to the previous two, calculated time vs observed time, Isotropic vs Anisotropic, Euclidean Distance and Riemannian Distance (curved Space) Hmmm... don't stop now man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.12 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2014 Well, this is interesting. I especially enjoyed the difficulty these "Scientists" had with publishing they're research..... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39733 The problem with posting things like this - The article is full of manipulative speech in support of this man and his efforts. When one searches for either affirmation or confirmation on this, one finds rebuttals that are likewise filled with manipulative speech against the man and his efforts. Of course, unless one has a better handle on what these people are talking about, one has a hard time discerning which angle is the most accurate. So unless someone here is able and willing to run through the number crunches themselves (surely there must be a way to find what he published which would have the data presented for one to run through the numbers with?), one needs to be careful about jumping on any bandwagons just because it sounds to the lay person like it supports what they pre-believe to be true. I've been through enough of these debates with critical thinkers to get too exited too fast over something that seems to shatter the mainstream. "The article is full of manipulative speech in support of this man and his efforts" Manipulative Speech? How so? @ least there's actual Tests and Data from actual measurements!! LOL It also explains Red Shift and other phenomenon However; As I noted in a previous post, his extrapolations from that data...cannot be verified, so it's Speculation. Just like every other "Theory" out there, because again....You can't do experiments on the past. It's UNTESTABLE! And I'm not Jumping on any BandWagon..... unless it's the LORD'S Bandwagon That's the very best bandwagon to be on......we can wave at all the 'scientists' as we go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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