FEASTING IN THE BIBLE!

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

In what scripture did Jesus say He was sick of their Sabbaths?

 

Isaiah 1:13

Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

 

 

Sure, but there is a context to that verse. 

 

 4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers , children that are corrupters : they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger , they are gone away backward.

 

He isn't rebuking people who love and seek the Lord, but people who have turned from Him and His ways, yet still celebrate the Sabbaths and Feasts.

 

 

By the way, what does "I cannot away with" mean anyway?

 

It means, I cannot put up with."    You are correct.  God was sick of their impure observances of His holy days, not the holy days, themselves.

[enoob57]

I like the phraseology 'I Will not put up with' better as 'I can not' yields an idea

as something beyond Him preventing... probably just a personal idiosyncrasy as it is just my

2 cents worth... Love, Stevn

[chloe_fantastic]

 

He isn't rebuking people who love and seek the Lord, but people who have turned from Him and His ways, yet still celebrate the Sabbaths and Feasts.

I agree. I was just providing the Scripture Fruitfull was asking for.

[Donibm]

It looks like several of you have missed the point of the Scripture.

 

 

FACT #1

Nebula, Israel was judged as a NATION, not a "few good over here" and a "few good over there".  They were given the Law of Moses as a nation, and they AGREED as a nation to observe them.  As a NATION they also AGREED to the punishments of failing to obey, saying, "we AND our children."  So, when they were punished, they were punished as a NATION.  You posted verse 4, which clearly shows that God address them as a NATION, not specifically a group within the nation.  This is the context of praise AND Judgment concerning Israel by God over and over and over again in the Hebrew Scriptures.

 

 

FACT #2

Observe, God completely disowns the events.  He no longer calls them HIS days, but "YOUR" days/feasts.

 

 

FACT #3

I was the one who was asked to reference the Scripture, and none of you "first responders" (lol) have posted it.  Does a man not know what it in his own mind?  Who but the man knows it?  Where are verses 14, 15, 16 and 17?  Why have you left them out?  And who among you is my spokesperson?  Who has sought me for my answer?  Who said that Isaiah 1 is the only passage of Scripture?  Jesus made it clear that "these people come near me with their mouths, but their hearts are far from Me".  There are more answers to Fruitfuls77's question than these two Scriptures ... including his accusation against them that none of them even kept the Law of Moses (which includes the Sabbath).

 

 

FACT #4

It is verse 17 that is key in all of this anyway.  This is the TRUE RELIGION that God wants.  What good is your stuffing your face with food?  Is THAT what Christ called you to do?  What good are your observances of certain days over others when Christ clearly taught that God seeks TRUE WORHIPPERS, not those who need a day or a place (mountain or in Jerusalem)?  Why go backwards?

 

And how do we know this is the TRUE RELIGION that God wants?  Because the Hebrew text completely agrees with the Greek text.

 

Isaiah 1:17 is echoed by James 1:27

 

 

FACT #5

"Oh you foolish Galatians" - Paul 

 

Yes, he was talking to the Christians in Galatia who were falling away from the core of Salvation, back into foolish and unrequired religious oblations.  Have you not read Galatians 4:9-11?

 

 

 

SUMMARY

 

So, if those of you who are actually born again believers, and you know the things that God desires, and the things that please Him, why in the world would you seek to adopt something that He cares almost nothing for ... such as feasts?  Does eating bring about morality?  Do they raise a standard against evil?

 

Do not be so easily carried away with winds of doctrine.  Do not be so easily carried off in the way of Cain.  Stop trying to adopt what was given and commanded of the Jews and ONLY the Jews.  Who told you that you must observe a Sabbath, or a feast?  Who has lied to you about you needing to return to "Hebrew roots"?  Even Judaism does not require that of a Gentile, only that they observe a mere 7 "laws" of Noah.  The Church never demanded these foolish things of you either, clearly seen in ACTS 15.

 

Have you completely overlooked Colossians 2:23?  Such things have an APPERANCE of godliness, with their self imposed "religiosity" and other crap, but they do NOTHING to restrain anyone from sensual indulgence. And I agree with the Word of God completely.  Since when has a feast caused me to not fall into pornography or sexual sin?  Since when has a ceremony restrained my anger and kept me from sinning?  They do absolutely nothing for me or anyone else.  And God made it clear what He wants - defend the widows, feed the poor, help the bastards (fatherless), learn to do good in all things.  GOD HIMSELF has said that He is trading in all your Sabbaths and feasts and ceremonies for those things.  Whose report will you believe?

 

 

 

Saints of God - those of you who ARE Redeemed - do not be so easily carried off by strange winds, or even sweet ones.  Not all winds smell foul (farts).  Some are sweet smelling because they have the APPEARANCE of something good ... but they are empty and vain.

[nebula]

It looks like several of you have missed the point of the Scripture.

In your opinion.

 

 

FACT #1

Nebula, Israel was judged as a NATION, not a "few good over here" and a "few good over there".  They were given the Law of Moses as a nation, and they AGREED as a nation to observe them.  As a NATION they also AGREED to the punishments of failing to obey, saying, "we AND our children."  So, when they were punished, they were punished as a NATION.  You posted verse 4, which clearly shows that God address them as a NATION, not specifically a group within the nation.  This is the context of praise AND Judgment concerning Israel by God over and over and over again in the Hebrew Scriptures.

That is irrelevant to the statement I made. The point is still that they had forsaken God and His ways. He was not rebuking people who were righteous; verse 17 (your pet verse in this) makes this clear (for if they were righteous, He would not have bothered telling them they needed to do these things, for they would have been doing them).

 

 

FACT #2

Observe, God completely disowns the events.  He no longer calls them HIS days, but "YOUR" days/feasts.

Vs. 11 shows He also disowned their sacrificing to Him. Is there any indication in Scripture He meant for Israel to never sacrifice to Him again? The books of Ezra and Nehemiah would indicate otherwise.

 

 

FACT #3

I was the one who was asked to reference the Scripture, and none of you "first responders" (lol) have posted it.  Does a man not know what it in his own mind?  Who but the man knows it?  Where are verses 14, 15, 16 and 17?  Why have you left them out?  And who among you is my spokesperson?  Who has sought me for my answer?  Who said that Isaiah 1 is the only passage of Scripture?  Jesus made it clear that "these people come near me with their mouths, but their hearts are far from Me".  There are more answers to Fruitfuls77's question than these two Scriptures ... including his accusation against them that none of them even kept the Law of Moses (which includes the Sabbath).

Sir, this is a message board; it is improper etiquette to tell people what they can and cannot respond to. Since you were not returning with an answer, someone interjected a possibility and some of us discussed that. There is no reason to take it personal nor to get on a high horse about it. No one ever claimed to be your spokesman, and no one said that was the only passage of Scripture.

 

 

FACT #4

It is verse 17 that is key in all of this anyway.  This is the TRUE RELIGION that God wants.  What good is your stuffing your face with food?  Is THAT what Christ called you to do?  What good are your observances of certain days over others when Christ clearly taught that God seeks TRUE WORHIPPERS, not those who need a day or a place (mountain or in Jerusalem)?  Why go backwards?

You are mixing up what was occurring in Isaiah's day with what was occurring in Jesus' day. One can read what God was speaking to the people (nation) after they returned from Babylon to see that He never meant for them to quit sacrificing to Him nor to quit celebrating the feasts. In fact, they were rebuked for not being diligent to rebuild the Temple (Haggai 1) and were even commanded to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles (Booths) instead of spending the days mourning their sin and the sins of their fathers (Nehemiah 8).

As for Jesus, He Himself participated in the feasts. We see Him celebrating the Passover with His disciples. John 7 records Jesus at the Feast of Tabernacles celebration in Jerusalem, where He gives new meaning to the water pouring ceremony that had become a part of the celebration.

And how do we know this is the TRUE RELIGION that God wants?  Because the Hebrew text completely agrees with the Greek text.

 

Isaiah 1:17 is echoed by James 1:27

Showing justice and mercy and caring for the orphan and widow by no means negates any expressions of worshiping God.

  

FACT #5

"Oh you foolish Galatians" - Paul 

 

Yes, he was talking to the Christians in Galatia who were falling away from the core of Salvation, back into foolish and unrequired religious oblations.  Have you not read Galatians 4:9-11?

The problem with the Galatians was that they were making salvation requirements out of following the Law.

If Paul was against celebrating the feasts, he wouldn't have made such a huge effort to make it to Jerusalem for Pentecost, which is the Feast of Weeks, one of the 3 feasts where the men of Israel were required to present themselves before the Lord in Jerusalem.

 

 

SUMMARY

 

So, if those of you who are actually born again believers, and you know the things that God desires, and the things that please Him, why in the world would you seek to adopt something that He cares almost nothing for ... such as feasts?  Does eating bring about morality?  Do they raise a standard against evil?

The feasts are not about eating and drinking. Those that thought such were the ones rebuked. The Feasts were about honoring, remembering, and worshiping the Lord, and they give prophetic illustrations for God's plan of redemption. Jesus fulfilled Passover with His death, Jesus fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits with His resurrection, and He fulfilled the Feast of Weeks with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2).

We look forward to the days Jesus fulfills the Fall Feasts.

 

Do not be so easily carried away with winds of doctrine.  Do not be so easily carried off in the way of Cain.  Stop trying to adopt what was given and commanded of the Jews and ONLY the Jews.  Who told you that you must observe a Sabbath, or a feast?  Who has lied to you about you needing to return to "Hebrew roots"?  Even Judaism does not require that of a Gentile, only that they observe a mere 7 "laws" of Noah.  The Church never demanded these foolish things of you either, clearly seen in ACTS 15.

No one has argued anything about "must" or "needing".

 

Have you completely overlooked Colossians 2:23?  Such things have an APPERANCE of godliness, with their self imposed "religiosity" and other crap, but they do NOTHING to restrain anyone from sensual indulgence. And I agree with the Word of God completely.  Since when has a feast caused me to not fall into pornography or sexual sin?  Since when has a ceremony restrained my anger and kept me from sinning?  They do absolutely nothing for me or anyone else.  And God made it clear what He wants - defend the widows, feed the poor, help the bastards (fatherless), learn to do good in all things.  GOD HIMSELF has said that He is trading in all your Sabbaths and feasts and ceremonies for those things.  Whose report will you believe?

If you believe God wants you to "trade" expressions of worship to Him for social justice, you truly are missing the boat. And besides, doing such things is no guarantee of anything. Have you not read 1 Cor. 13 ("If I give all my possessions to feed the poor...")?

[OneLight]

Romans 14:1-13

Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written:
 

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

[Guest]

Romans 14:1-13

Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written:

 

“As I live, says the Lord,

Every knee shall bow to Me,

And every tongue shall confess to God.”

So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

 

Amen~!

[Qnts2]

Now if we are going to have the topic of fasting in the Bible, shouldn't we also have the topic of feasting in the Bible?

The Law of Moses has only 1 fast.

But it has many feasts.

 

Are Christians sinning by neglecting to feast?

 

The feasts were all celebrations for what God had done for the children of Israel. Each was a remembrance of what God had done and celebrating over a meal, filled with symbolism, as a group.

 

In the NT, Jesus used these feasts as they are pointers to what Jesus was going to do. He explained and used the symbolism, showing how it represented what He would do and how the feast was actually about Him also. In doing that, Jesus changed or included what He did as part of the feast, and made a NT feast to celebrate what Jesus did for us. He also said to do this in remembrance of Him. 

 

Should we be celebrating what Jesus did for us?

[kwikphilly]

OneLight, on 17 Mar 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

Romans 14:1-13

Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written:


“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.



Amen~!(Fresno Joe)

 

And AMEN!!!!                                                                               With love in Christ ,Kwik