7thseal Posted May 11, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 825 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 186 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2014 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-11 I personally believe that's its the lie of peace being made, Its the AntiChrist that brings in this false hope (Jesus said until he returns there shall be no peace). Remember that everything in the end is centered around Israel. The whole world is rejoicing and saying "finally peace, peace." It's at that time that the real pain begins to hit.... war breaks out against Israel... and continues to grow consuming the whole world until Jesus Christ returns and establishes peace for 1000yrs. Then Satan is released one more time to try once more and he's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenseas Posted May 13, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2014 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-11 Does this apply for all time, or is it specifically referring to the End Times? Are we seeing this happening now? The reason that I ask, is because I occasionally speak to people who are non-believers. I'm not talking about your average non-believer, but people who hate God so much that they seem to have lost all rationality. They will blatantly tell lies about things, but I honestly think that they are not even aware of it. You can show them something and they will claim that it is the opposite. Their grasp of reality is apparently non-existent too. It's as if they live on a different planet. They revel in defending the indefensible and they attack anything that is virtuous. It's as if they are mentally ill, yet in everyday life they function normally and are otherwise rational (even very intelligent) as long as you stay away from the subjects of faith, politics or morals. As soon as you start discussing such things they become insane again. Not only will they lie but they will even contradict themselves without realising that there is any contradiction. Is this because they hate God and love pleasure so much that God has put a mental block inside their heads? Is this what the above passage really means? Yup...I think it applied before it was written, when it was written and is more than self evident now. I don't think it's all to do with pleasure though.....deception is an interesting thing. What if I told you I know some Christians who are just as good at lying and deceiving? I think that if a person accepts a lie as truth, it festers and as they go on, it expands until they are deceived because of their lack of belief in what is actually true. Maybe the 'come back' is the question 'Well, are they really Christians?' But somehow I don't think the answer is that simplistic...although obvious of course in some ways Hope that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted May 13, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,658 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2014 God allowed Pharoah to harden his heart 7 times, them God hardened his heart 7 times. That may be happening now. But I believe that as we pray for peoples' salvation, God will continue to give them opportunities to repent till they die. Hubby once forced me to promise not to pray for him. After he was saved I asked him to forgive me for breaking that promise. I prayed constantly for him, and he was very hardened, hostile, angry. Once a pastor visited our house. He only talked about sports, but then told him he was welcome to come to our son's baptism. He raved for months about how the pastor preached at him. He hated that church because of the visit. People do become warpped in their perceptions, as though they were out of touch with reality. It is so funny because after he asked Christ into his life, one of the first things he said was that he wondered why he hadn't done it a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted May 13, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2014 Blessings Willa! Isn't that something ,I bet you wanted to choke him,or hug him?LOL,It is so funny but true,,,,don't we all say,"What took me so long?"Oh,but thanks & Praise be to God that we are Saved,Oh but for the Grace of God! I am sure your hubby is grateful that you did not listen & kept praying for him,God Bless you both! With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted May 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted May 14, 2014 . I have also noticed you can tell somepeople the truth and they wont believe it and they believe you are telling them a lie. Really? You mean the gospel, or it could be anything that is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 14, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 14, 2014 When God says it ... it happens2 Peter 2:18-22 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. KJV notice what they call good is the desires of this place... how is it that which God has separated Himself from2 Cor 6:16-17 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, KJV Rom 12:2 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. KJV we think we can take of the world into ourselves and still be of God's pleasure? Transformation never occurred in these people simply because they were never born again Spiritually... so they called good what was bad because they knew not God Who alone 'IS' Good! This is the understanding of blaspheme of the Holy Spirit when you attribute god to God-> so that the god of this world is The God Who 'IS' Creator... How shall you find The God Who Alone 'IS' God.?. Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted May 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2014 We are at a point where good is evil and evil good. Warren Buffet is just investing in abortion. Does that make sense? (At least that is the news item I saw.) Are governments acting less rationally than they used to? Making laws that are totally against God and what He ordained? Why should people be any different? That is why we are told to hold fast to the faith and let no one deceive us. Perilous times are here. There is so much that does not make sense, religiously, politically and particularly in the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2014 I think they are talking about the antichrist in this passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted May 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 I think they are talking about the antichrist in this passage. It's written as 'they' though, not he. Or do you mean at the time of the antichrist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 14, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2014 I think they are talking about the antichrist in this passage. It's written as 'they' though, not he. Or do you mean at the time of the antichrist? I am thinking at the time the antichrist is among those in the future during the tribulation.What you were talking about are the people who have hardened hearts.People who follow Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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