The City of Babylon.

[Salty]

Salty.

 

I have to be honest with you bro, these two responses of yours are not exactly received in love nor encouraging. 

 

1. And it sounds like you're trying to give me an ultimatum with that last statement of yours. Just because you side more with Shiloh on this matter would you really stoop to that kind of ultimatum dare?

FYI, it's no skin off my back if you hold fast to Jerusalem, but I can tell, you desire to be accurate, so I think maybe you should allow yourself to be a wee bit more open on this one and continue your dialog with brother Shiloh.

 

 

2. Brother, does it matter whether you believe me or not? You're not accountable to me, nor I to you. If Shiloh doesn't want to address what I've covered, then fine. I don't care one way or the other whether he believes what I have to say on the subject. As for being more 'open', that's a different matter, because it's like saying I have to agree with you et all on this matter just to converse about it, when no, I actually do not have to agree. So if you want to make that a requirement or rule to be able to converse with you on it, then that's your choice, not mine.

 

Not only is the tone all wrong, but you also did not even interpret them correctly. Not sure why not. I did not give you an ultimatum and no, you don't have to agree. I never said you had to.

 

This is a discussion forum in which I presume many of us are attempting to seek wisdom and truth to understand God's mind and heart better.  I don't know if you believe you have no need to learn from us because you already know it all, but it sure sounds like you are putting up walls making it hard to discuss this amicably.

 

Are you that sure Jerusalem is Babylon and there is nothing we can say through God's word, or are you OPEN to receive other perspectives and scripture passages that maybe you did not consider?

 

Me personally, I'm ALWAYS open to listen to what other people want to show me, especially regarding something as nebulous as prophecy. Even here, I'm listening to your argument for Jerusalem being Babylon. So far I find your argument wanting, but I'm still listening.

 

Anyhow, I hope we can all glorify the Lord and converse in love and humility from here on out.  Agree?

 

Again, my purpose is not to make you agree with me, but rather to discuss the scriptures to see if we can figure out what God is saying.

 

Spock out

 

If what you said with suggesting I be 'more open' is not a suggestion that I change my coverage of God's Word, then what is it? Sorry, but I take suggestions like that as an insult.

 

If I give Scripture evidence that disagrees with ideas others may have, and it cannot be proven that I'm straying from said Scripture, then who is the disagreement between, me and the person, or the person and God's Holy Writ?

 

Am I open to other's understanding of Scripture? Sure! Doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it though, but I will always... show one just why, by The Scriptures of God's Holy Writ. Yet some get angry when I do that, wrongly thinking that I'm exhibiting some supposed authority over them by my God-given ability to stay within the parameters of His Word.

 

No man knows and understands all of God's Word, and none have ever heard me make the claim that I know His Word to that point. So what does it mean when others accuse me of that just because they can't get around the Scriptures I've shown and explained, and provided that counters their argument?

 

So if others want to disagree with what I cover from God's Word, then make sure it's actually 'me' you're disagreeing with, and not God's Holy Writ that I'm presenting. In order to do that, one has left the conversation by changing the subject, or name calling, or suggesting that I change my views, etc., which is not a proper rebuttal within the rules of a debate. It would mean an automatic loss if in a real debate.

 

Am I angry? No. Am I a bit put off by your previous post suggestions? Yes.

[Salty]

Also would like to mention the words "GREAT CITY"

 

"Great City" seems to be a rather generic name. For instance, Nineveh is called a great city in the book of Jonah (Jonah 1:2). In earlier times still other cities were called great (see Genesis 10:12, Joshua 10:2). I don’t see how such a designation, which could so easily apply to any great city under discussion, can provide much help in identifying Mystery Babylon.

 

Must have missed this post.

 

Rev.11:13 mentions a "city", but which city is it? To know one must go back a few verses to Rev.11:8, the most previous verse that mentions the subject of a city, a "great city". That Rev.11:8 verses reveals which "great city", because it tells us it was where our Lord Jesus was crucified, and that only... is involving the city of Jerusalem.

 

So the "great city" reference in Revelation indeed is a symbolic reference which one MUST pay attention to the context of Scripture where it is used. In no way... does it ever mean to just disregard all the Scriptures pointing to it in context of the same subject. in other words, since Rev.11:8 labels Jerusalem in the spiritual sense as Sodom and Egypt, already we're given early a pointer to false worship with that "great city" symbol in Revelation.

 

But by Rev.21:10 which uses that "great city" symbol in pointing emphatically to the New Jerusalem, we well know how it is used there is not the same how it is used in Rev.11:8.

 

But what about all those other Revelation verses where it appears prior to Rev.21? In Rev.18 it's emphatically about Babylon, 6 times even!

 

In Rev.17:18 it is the city directly associated with the "woman" of that chapter, the Babylon Harlot Mystery, also associated with the ten horns of Rev.13 and the Book of Daniel (ten kings and the little horn king tied to the "abomination of desolation" idol event in Jerusalem for the end). We're even told its the city associated with the shedding of the blood of God's prophets, and the martyrs of Jesus, like Stephen in Acts 7. It is directly associated with the first beast kingdom of Rev.13:1-2, which refers directly to the Dan.7 chapter about the beast kingdoms of history. And of course that Rev.13 chapter brings in the subject of the "dragon" and "another beast", and the idol image setup in false worship which is what the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel and Matt.24 is about. Even in Rev.17:16 we are told those ten kings will hate the 'whore', and make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. Would those ten kings do that to their own city if it were geographical Babylon? No, of course not.

 

Rev 16:5-6

5    And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, Which art, and wast, and shalt be, because Thou hast judged thus.

6    For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and Thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

(KJV)

 

Exactly who... did our Lord Jesus point to with those who shed the blood of His prophets, and where?

 

I hate to be bearer of sad news, but I'm forced to post these Scripture references about who and where that Rev.16:6 and Rev.17:6 and Rev.18:24 reference to Jerusalem -

 

Jer 2:28-30

28    But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.

29    Wherefore will ye plead with Me? ye all have transgressed against Me, saith the LORD.

30    In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.

(KJV)

Lam 4:12-14

12    The kings of the earth, and all the inhabitants of the world, would not have believed that the adversary and the enemy should have entered into the gates of Jerusalem.

13    For the sins of her prophets, and the iniquities of her priests, that have shed the blood of the just in the midst of her,

14    They have wandered as blind men in the streets, they have polluted themselves with blood, so that men could not touch their garments.

(KJV)

Matt 23:29-35

29    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30    And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31    Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32    Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33    Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34    Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35    That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

(KJV)

 

[Salty]

My words in BLUE -

 

 

@Salty

 

Before we can ever get to your arguments put forward....I need to first establish if you believe literal Babylon has historically been totally desolate and devoid of human habitation? Further that it has been destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah? If your answer is yes...then you have a problem...If your answer is No you still left with a problem based on your interpretation. Your in a catch 22/2 I'm afraid.

 

I suppose you have not read the following Scripture in conjunction with those events in Isaiah 13?

 

Isa 14:22-26
22    For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
23    I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
24    The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
25    That I will break the Assyrian in My land, and upon My mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
26    This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
(KJV)
 

Just what "land" is that where God says, "My land" and "upon My mountains"? It's not geographical Babylon, it's Jerusalem, for that is where that "Assyrian" is coming for the last days, and I don't mean as a flesh king either, and nor did our Heavenly Father there with using that "Assyrian" title, because He started that Isaiah 14 chapter with a proverb (parable) about the "king of Babylon", not a flesh king either. That Isaiah 14 chapter is one of several Biblical proofs of how God uses the pagan names of people and places in relation to the Wicked One's main event for the end of days, i.e., the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem.

 

As for Babylon being laid waste, that did to come to pass like God said. Its great wonders of the ancient world are gone. So Sadam trying to re-build it was nothing more than a vain attempt to build a bunch of buildings in the middle of the desert, not like the old Babylon with its gardens and its ancient thriving commerce at all. You guys are just chasing a dream with the idea of it being established like of old again.

 

 

 

 MUST pay attention to the context of Scripture

 

The great city of Revelation 11:8 is not the same great city found in Revelation 17-18. Revelation 11:8 speaks of the great city where the Lord was crucified, while in contrast Revelation 17:18 is speaking of the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth. This is important where does Jerusalem reign over the kings of the earth before Jesus Christ return or after?? 

 

Per the Daniel and Revelation prophecy, even in Rev.17, just who will that "little horn", "vile person" beast king rule over when he comes in our near future? Your mistake is trying to persuade by using comparisons to times right now when that "little horn" king has not appeared yet. And per the Book of Daniel, he is to appear in Jerusalem. So it looks like now you are rejecting the prophecies in Daniel about that coming false king to Jerusalem for our near future.

 

 

Jeremiah 50-51 are quoted extensively in Revelation 17-18 they are both one of the same. Unless you wish to ignore the context and evidence.

 

Making an assumption that I've been ignoring Bible Scripture on this matter is not a valid stance. Already I've well shown how I'm not he one here ignoring Scripture. But yes, I definitely agree that the times of Judah's 70 years captivity to Babylon per history has many overlays in our Lord Jesus' Book of Revelation. Yet that is not only found in the Book of Jeremiah. The Book of Daniel is more specific about end time events upon Jerusalem and has DIRECT prophetic parallels to Revelation, so why skirt it in favor of the other Books of the prophets?

 

Like I've declared in other posts about this matter, one will be required to eventually address the prophecies in the Book of Daniel concerning Jerusalem for the end of this world, and that's especially when men's doctrines pointing away from Jerusalem for the end will really reveal their lacking.

 

 

The Babylon of Jeremiah 50-51 and the Babylon of Revelation 17-18 are described similarly. Both are described in terms of a golden cup that influences the nations that partake of its contents. Both are also said to dwell on many waters. Obviously John was employing the terminology used by Jeremiah. Jeremiah was prophesying the destruction of the literal city of Babylon, and John was prophesying the destruction of a city with the same name. Do you deny this?

 

Most of that is just opinion using affirmations. Revelation is in the same kind of writing style as the OT Books of the prophets, the Book of Jeremiah being only one of them. It has direct associations with other OT Books also, not just the Books of the prophets, Genesis being one of the main ones. So your affirmation that the Revelation Babylon is about geographical Babylon is not proven by what you've said about John and OT writings. But yes, I well know the OT prophets have many overlays in the Book of Revelation, which is 'how' Babylon as the "great city" is being used to point to Jerusalem during the tribulation time. But why get stuck only on the Book of Jeremiah's associations, when the Book of Daniel has 'direct' associations specifically foretelling the end time events for Jerusalem in the last days in association Babylon as a metaphor? Just which area was Daniel and his fellows captive to in his days? Babylon. So does that mean the Jews in Jerusalem are going to be transported to geographical Babylon just so the events of the end can play out? No, not hardly. God said nothing about a second literal 70 years captivity to geographical Babylon of His people. But that's the kind of mind set you're bringing into this.

 

 

John and Jeremiah each described a city that is destroyed suddenly and completely. A city in full blossom is plucked up never to reappear. The destruction is meted out by God for past deeds and is pictured as a rock sinking in a body of water to rise no more. Do you deny this?

 

No, I don't deny that the Revelation Babylon will be completely and utterly destroyed from off the earth, but that still does not make it mean geographical Babylon. Why? Because the Babylon Harlot Mystery of Revelation is using the idea of the city of Babylon as a SYMBOLIC METAPHOR. And that metaphor representation is what God will destroy when His Son returns to Jerusalem to fight His enemies, not at geographical Babylon, but at geographical Jerusalem, for that is the region where the battle of Armageddon will take place.

 

 

Jeremiah and John recorded the same response to the destruction of the city. Those on earth are warned to flee from the destruction that has now been promised. In heaven there is a call to rejoice, for the destruction signals God's victory over a godless city. Do you deny this?

 

Actually, it was a repeat from Isaiah 21, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen" in Rev.14:8. No, I don't deny that. Still doesn't mean it's speaking of geographical Babylon for the end though, because geographical Babylon has long been a ruin, and still is compared to its glory of old.

 

Do you deny that God's two witnesses for the end are to appear in the "great city", and that city is Jerusalem? Do you deny those two witnesses prophesy against... those there in Jerusalem for that time? Do you think God messed up by declaring His two witnesses will be sent to Jerusalem  to prophesy against the beast, instead of geographical Babylon?

 

Do you deny that temple of Rev.11:1-2 which will have worshippers in it, with the court left to the Gentiles, with their treading the holy city for 42 months, being about a temple in Jerusalem for the last days?

 

 

The ultimate identity of Babylon in Revelation 17-18 depends on John's use of Jeremiah's prophecy.

The Old Testament and New Testament prophecies of Babylon, when interpreted literally, have never been fulfilled. If they never been fulfilled why do you assume John is referring to Jerusalem? when its very clear that John is copying from Jeremiah on the fulfillment of Babylon?

 

Sorry, I have to laugh at that statement about your "ultimate identity" requirement. No, that's a requirement you... are trying to make only based upon your assumptions. And you are very wrong about OT prophecies about Babylon's destruction never having come to pass back in history. Try reading up on what king Cyrus did there, and Alexander, and later kings. It's not in a state of waste in Iraq for no reason. God passed judgment on geographical Babylon long ago. The remaining prophecies about her destruction is involving Jerusalem being made desolate by the Antichrist for the end, and Christ returning to Jerusalem to destroy the Antichrist's working there, not leaving one stone on top of another.

 

 

There has never been a time historically when Babylon has been totally desolate and devoid of human habitation. Babylon's fall is said to coincide with God's restoration of His people and their entering into an everlasting covenant with Him. How then do you fit literal Babylon in future events?

 

Well, one could also say that about the island Tyrus too that God passed judgment upon, simply because there's still fishermen casting nets off it. It's all relative, because how ancient Babylon was established with wonders of the world isn't anything like how it is today. But I will wait in case you are right, and see if the geographical city of Babylon becomes the ninth wonder of world commerce for the end with a seaport, from its desert location in the center of Iraq!

 

 

 

Rev.17:16 we are told those ten kings will hate the 'whore', and make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. Would those ten kings do that to their own city if it were geographical Babylon? No, of course not.

 

 

 

Oh of cause yes....

 

The Destruction of Babylon

Jeremiah 50:46

…40"As when God overthrew Sodom And Gomorrah with its neighbors," declares the LORD, "No man will live there, Nor will any son of man reside in it. 41"Behold, a people is coming from the north, And a great nation and many kings Will be aroused from the remote parts of the earth. 42"They seize their bow and javelin; They are cruel and have no mercy. Their voice roars like the sea; And they ride on horses, Marshalled like a man for the battle Against you, O daughter of Babylon.

 

It would help you if you used Jeremiah with Revelations to get a more accurate interpretation...which will help you with your context.

 

It would help if you studied more of your Bible history, for that happened upon geographical Babylon, which is why it has lain a waste in the desert for so many years. It involved Persian kings like Cyrus, Alexander of Macedonia, then divided up among Alexander's generals after his death, then transport of most of its inhabitants to Seleucia, then the Parthians conquest, which by that time it was barren.

 

 

[Spock]

inchrist,

 

IMO, we have reached an impasse regarding Jerusalem as the place of the antichrist's seat.

 

I would like to hear you compare Rome with Babylon, and what makes you think it is not Rome.  Thanks.

[other one]

inchrist,

 

IMO, we have reached an impasse regarding Jerusalem as the place of the antichrist's seat.

 

I would like to hear you compare Rome with Babylon, and what makes you think it is not Rome.  Thanks.

I think this is about where I was about 20 years ago arguing with myself about this....

 

This thread had brought all that back to mind...   I think the problem is what I was doing many years ago in making more out of a single piece of scripture compared to another  (Daniel/Revelation) in many different books of the Bible....

 

I thought it was Jerusalem for a while, but several have shown why that is almost not possible, then I thought it might be The Vatican, or New York City....   but there are other things that tend to be difficult to fit all scripture in as this thread shows.

 

It wasn't until recently that I considered that the globalists might actually finish rebuilding the old City of Babylon.  Many things happened in that area concerning old pagan ways during the time that we were there in force that were not really talked about in the general media.. 

The military base that we built and the embassy and all the network main bus hubs that were installed made many of us Illuminati watchers raise an eye brow of interest.

 

So I have decided mainly to set back and keep watching.....   it will be very interesting to see if they move the UN headquarters there in the near future.  Total globalist control of the area must be set up before that could happen....

 

Watch to see what Obama does concerning ISIS.

 

 

I'm still pondering why we have major Egyptian Obelisks in New York City, Washington DC, London and the Vatican...   Those are the centers of Global Control as of today.  So if we are close to the end times, I would think that Mystery Babylon would be tied to these places.

New York City is where the UN is centered and where the other power centers go to focus their control.

 

If someone backed me in a corner and demanded I tell them where Mystery Babylon is today I would guess it is New York City.....   but it would only be a guess from shallow information that "seem" to fit there more than other places.  There would have to be some rationalization as to some of the individual pieces of scripture that just don't completely fit there......   as some are showing here in the thread.

 

My suggestion would simply be to watch what they do with the UN headquarters.   The CFR and Trilateral Commission both are centered in New York City.

 

however, once Satan is kicked completely out of heaven and is forced down here, things could change so fast that we might not be able to see the possibilities right now.    And when you start to call yourself a dumb (donkey), it's time to give it a rest......   so I did back then, and will do so again.

[OakWood]

 

inchrist,

 

IMO, we have reached an impasse regarding Jerusalem as the place of the antichrist's seat.

 

I would like to hear you compare Rome with Babylon, and what makes you think it is not Rome.  Thanks.

I think this is about where I was about 20 years ago arguing with myself about this....

 

This thread had brought all that back to mind...   I think the problem is what I was doing many years ago in making more out of a single piece of scripture compared to another  (Daniel/Revelation) in many different books of the Bible....

 

I thought it was Jerusalem for a while, but several have shown why that is almost not possible, then I thought it might be The Vatican, or New York City....   but there are other things that tend to be difficult to fit all scripture in as this thread shows.

 

It wasn't until recently that I considered that the globalists might actually finish rebuilding the old City of Babylon.  Many things happened in that area concerning old pagan ways during the time that we were there in force that were not really talked about in the general media.. 

The military base that we built and the embassy and all the network main bus hubs that were installed made many of us Illuminati watchers raise an eye brow of interest.

 

So I have decided mainly to set back and keep watching.....   it will be very interesting to see if they move the UN headquarters there in the near future.  Total globalist control of the area must be set up before that could happen....

 

Watch to see what Obama does concerning ISIS.

 

 

I'm still pondering why we have major Egyptian Obelisks in New York City, Washington DC, London and the Vatican...   Those are the centers of Global Control as of today.  So if we are close to the end times, I would think that Mystery Babylon would be tied to these places.

New York City is where the UN is centered and where the other power centers go to focus their control.

 

If someone backed me in a corner and demanded I tell them where Mystery Babylon is today I would guess it is New York City.....   but it would only be a guess from shallow information that "seem" to fit there more than other places.  There would have to be some rationalization as to some of the individual pieces of scripture that just don't completely fit there......   as some are showing here in the thread.

 

My suggestion would simply be to watch what they do with the UN headquarters.   The CFR and Trilateral Commission both are centered in New York City.

 

however, once Satan is kicked completely out of heaven and is forced down here, things could change so fast that we might not be able to see the possibilities right now.    And when you start to call yourself a dumb (donkey), it's time to give it a rest......   so I did back then, and will do so again.

 

 

I can more or less agree with you that NYC may be mystery Babylon but what about the seven hills bit?

[other one]

 

 

inchrist,

 

IMO, we have reached an impasse regarding Jerusalem as the place of the antichrist's seat.

 

I would like to hear you compare Rome with Babylon, and what makes you think it is not Rome.  Thanks.

I think this is about where I was about 20 years ago arguing with myself about this....

 

This thread had brought all that back to mind...   I think the problem is what I was doing many years ago in making more out of a single piece of scripture compared to another  (Daniel/Revelation) in many different books of the Bible....

 

I thought it was Jerusalem for a while, but several have shown why that is almost not possible, then I thought it might be The Vatican, or New York City....   but there are other things that tend to be difficult to fit all scripture in as this thread shows.

 

It wasn't until recently that I considered that the globalists might actually finish rebuilding the old City of Babylon.  Many things happened in that area concerning old pagan ways during the time that we were there in force that were not really talked about in the general media.. 

The military base that we built and the embassy and all the network main bus hubs that were installed made many of us Illuminati watchers raise an eye brow of interest.

 

So I have decided mainly to set back and keep watching.....   it will be very interesting to see if they move the UN headquarters there in the near future.  Total globalist control of the area must be set up before that could happen....

 

Watch to see what Obama does concerning ISIS.

 

 

I'm still pondering why we have major Egyptian Obelisks in New York City, Washington DC, London and the Vatican...   Those are the centers of Global Control as of today.  So if we are close to the end times, I would think that Mystery Babylon would be tied to these places.

New York City is where the UN is centered and where the other power centers go to focus their control.

 

If someone backed me in a corner and demanded I tell them where Mystery Babylon is today I would guess it is New York City.....   but it would only be a guess from shallow information that "seem" to fit there more than other places.  There would have to be some rationalization as to some of the individual pieces of scripture that just don't completely fit there......   as some are showing here in the thread.

 

My suggestion would simply be to watch what they do with the UN headquarters.   The CFR and Trilateral Commission both are centered in New York City.

 

however, once Satan is kicked completely out of heaven and is forced down here, things could change so fast that we might not be able to see the possibilities right now.    And when you start to call yourself a dumb (donkey), it's time to give it a rest......   so I did back then, and will do so again.

 

 

I can more or less agree with you that NYC may be mystery Babylon but what about the seven hills bit?

 

I can't answer that.....   I can't find a topographical map of the city that is readable on line....   I have read that it had many hills before it was settled, but most of the hills have been leveled to build on.     I have no idea of how many there are now.

[Marilyn C]

The `7 hills/mountains,` are not physical areas, the Lord explains what they are in His word.

 

`The 7 heads are 7 mountains on which the woman sits & they are 7 kings....` (Rev. 17: 9 & 10)

 

The `woman` is symbolic & so are the `mountains,` on which she sits. God has given us the interpretation that they are 7 kings/leaders of the world system. They rule one after the other consecutively - 5 fallen/gone, one is & one to come.

 

(note some Bibles have not written those scriptures correctly & that has caused the confusion I think.)

[OakWood]

The `7 hills/mountains,` are not physical areas, the Lord explains what they are in His word.

 

`The 7 heads are 7 mountains on which the woman sits & they are 7 kings....` (Rev. 17: 9 & 10)

 

The `woman` is symbolic & so are the `mountains,` on which she sits. God has given us the interpretation that they are 7 kings/leaders of the world system. They rule one after the other consecutively - 5 fallen/gone, one is & one to come.

 

(note some Bibles have not written those scriptures correctly & that has caused the confusion I think.)

 

Mmm... good point. But Mystery Babylon is still a er....... mystery to me.

[Marilyn C]

Hi Oakwood,

 

Yes it is a rather difficult thing to see. I used to think the religious aspect of Babylon was the different religions coming together, which they are, however of late I have seen something. The city of Babylon houses the Religious & Economic aspects, for we see those areas being judged in the city, in Rev. 17 & 18.

 

Now the religious aspect, `the woman,` is `the Mother of Prostitutes.` Who are these `prostitutes,` they are the false religions of the world & they are joining hands as it were, being tolerant, inclusive, respectful of each other`s differences, etc etc. So who is helping them to come together? Whose beliefs are over riding all the others? Who is the `mother prostitute` of all the others?