Is Receiving The Mark Unforgivable?

[Last Daze]

I'd like some thoughts on this question.

 

My initial thought is 'no'.  Don't get me wrong, I have no intention of flirting with disaster, just want to make sense of some things.

 

Where it speaks of judgment being carried out it always says it like this: “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand..." .  If the mark alone was enough to "send someone to hell" then why add the worship clause?  Using the "and" conjunction indicates that both must be in play.  I see "receiving the mark" as the first act of worship which is followed by continued worship (complying with the mandates of the image).  Can someone realize at some point, say when things really go south, that they've made a bad decision and repent.  I think so, but I'm not sure.  I think it might part of what the 144,000 do, bear witness and call to repentance.

 

Also, I think the decision to receive the mark or not will be made by everyone in just a couple months or so.  Why not just kill them all then?  I think the reason is that the judgments of the seventh seal gets progressively worse to try and convince people of their bad decision.  The great majority, though, will not see through the deception and will remain stiff-necked in their rebellion.  But might some repent as a result?  Maybe, but very, very few, kind of like God's searching for that last gold coin or two.

 

Another reason why I think you will be able to repent after receiving the mark is in Acts 2:

 

"And I will grant wonders in the sky above

And signs on the earth below,

Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.

The sun will be turned into darkness

And the moon into blood,

Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.

And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

 

I don't see any exception for those who have received the mark in there.  Again, the vast majority won't repent, but why make that statement if it weren't possible?

 

Thoughts?

Edited August 7, 2014 by OneLight
Made the thread "G" rated. Remember, we have children reading these threads.

[OakWood]

I always believed that the worship clause is to condemn those who didn't actually take the mark but worshipped the Beast anyway. Because of logistics there will be some who want to take the mark but can't. Maybe there is too long a waiting list or if the mark is done by machine then maybe there just isn't enough time to ensure that all of those those who want it get it.

The clause is there to stop people from saying "look see, I don't have actually have the mark, you can't condemn me to the fire". God will know what is in their hearts.

 

However, your post is making me think this over again.

[Themessenger2014]

anyone who take the mark will have no chance of repentance

[Sister]

 

"And I will grant wonders in the sky above

And signs on the earth below,

Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.

The sun will be turned into darkness

And the moon into blood,

Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.

And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

 

I don't see any exception for those who have received the mark in there.  Again, the vast majority won't repent, but why make that statement if it weren't possible?

 

Thoughts?

Hi Last Daze.

 

I think it means that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord - before the trumpets blow, and have the knowledge to refuse the mark of the beast will be spared from the wrath of God.  After that it will be too late. 

Many will realise they have made a mistake for taking the mark of the beast, but that mark on them shows who they chose to serve.  Once it's there, cannot change it. Can remove the mark if you wish, but your name is still listed as being the property of the Beast.  They already traded their inheritance for a bowl of soup.

[Sister]

I always believed that the worship clause is to condemn those who didn't actually take the mark but worshipped the Beast anyway. Because of logistics there will be some who want to take the mark but can't. Maybe there is too long a waiting list or if the mark is done by machine then maybe there just isn't enough time to ensure that all of those those who want it get it.

The clause is there to stop people from saying "look see, I don't have actually have the mark, you can't condemn me to the fire". God will know what is in their hearts.

 

However, your post is making me think this over again.

Hi Oakwood

 

Good point.  Yes, some might be in line to take it, but die before their turn.

Some might take the mark to do trade, but hate their new leader (eg Muslems)

[other one]

Would you really bet your soul that one can take the mark and repent?

[Last Daze]

Would you really bet your soul that one can take the mark and repent?

Absolutely not, it just seemed strange the way it was worded, that "received the mark" and "worship the image" were always together...like it took both.  Just soliciting feedback.

[Last Daze]

Revelation 14: 9-11 is clear what happens to those who take the mark or worship the beast or his image.

The NASB uses "and" not "or".  If it were "or" there would be no question.  That's just why it seems odd to me.

[Last Daze]

 

 

"And I will grant wonders in the sky above

And signs on the earth below,

Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke.

The sun will be turned into darkness

And the moon into blood,

Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come.

And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

 

I don't see any exception for those who have received the mark in there.  Again, the vast majority won't repent, but why make that statement if it weren't possible?

 

Thoughts?

Hi Last Daze.

 

I think it means that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord - before the trumpets blow, and have the knowledge to refuse the mark of the beast will be spared from the wrath of God.  After that it will be too late. 

Many will realise they have made a mistake for taking the mark of the beast, but that mark on them shows who they chose to serve.  Once it's there, cannot change it. Can remove the mark if you wish, but your name is still listed as being the property of the Beast.  They already traded their inheritance for a bowl of soup.

 

Hi Sister,

 

I'm not sure how you see the seals unfolding.  I think the mark is given during the fifth seal, after the warfare of the first four seals.  This is when the worship or die ultimatum is given and believers are martyred. Then the sixth seal coincides with the above quoted passage, then the seventh seal with God's judgment (trumpets/vials).  Are you saying that up until the sixth seal that those who have received the mark can repent but once the trumpets blow, the option is off the table? 

[other one]

 

Revelation 14: 9-11 is clear what happens to those who take the mark or worship the beast or his image.

The NASB uses "and" not "or".  If it were "or" there would be no question.  That's just why it seems odd to me.

 

It is my understanding that the Greek also speaks in terms of and.......      To me personally it means that one can not receive the mark unless one worships the beast or his image.  Remember that those not written in the book of life will be enamored by the beast and think he's a good idea.   Also remember that Jesus told us that we can not be snatched out of the hands of the Father, so there is literally no way we can be tricked or accidentally worship the beast, his image or accept his mark.