The Unutterable Prayers of the Holy Spirit

[jerryR34]

If God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, what is the need for intercession?  Sounds like something a man-made church made up about 1600-1700 years ago and many sheep are eager to follow...

[Sevenseas]

Are you actually asking?  The 2nd sentence seems to indicate  a low opinion of the intelligence of believers...ie...let someone else do the thinking for them

 

Now, have you really thought this through?  If God moved in His sovereignty, people would complain that God is a tyrant and dictator (mind you, we hear that all the time anyway)

 

However, if one prays (but intercession is more then just a prayer but lets keep it simple) and they believe God has answered them in some fashion they find indicates He

is listening, it becomes more than silly sheep copying each other or ignorantly following the dictates of another human being whom they may have looked up to in their superstition

some 2000 or so odd years ago.

 

We then enter the realm of relationship...that is, one or the other party speaking while the other listens.  Its a two way street.

 

It may also resolve some of your conflict regarding the Triune God if you were to understand that they are not copies of each other.

 

God is not all three...all three are God.  The Father is not the Son nor is He the Holy Spirit.  And so on

[jerryR34]

Are you actually asking?  

I asked about intercession and even included a question mark - yes I'm asking.

 

Sevenseas, on 27 Aug 2014 - 2:06 PM, said:

The 2nd sentence seems to indicate  a low opinion of the intelligence of believers...ie...let someone else do the thinking for them

 

I'm a believer...not sure what you are talking about...

 

Intercession is a heretical concept.  God knows all and sees all.  If He wants to change our circumstance He will, He does not need us to direct Him.  Intercession is a nutty concept adopted by the Catholic church to gain power for the Church.  For me, I will read my Bible in my closet and trust God to interceed when He sees fit not when one of my friends prays for me on Facebook.

[OneLight]

I move the thread to Doctrinal Questions since the subject in question is about mans doctrine.

[a-seeker]

If God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, what is the need for intercession?  Sounds like something a man-made church made up about 1600-1700 years ago and many sheep are eager to follow...

I've looked through this thread and the question of intercession seems to pop up out of nowhere; so I am not sure what is meant by it.  Do you simply mean requests made to God?  Or asking others to pray for you?

 

Your last post suggests a very insular Christian life

 

 For me, I will read my Bible in my closet and trust God to interceed when He sees fit not when one of my friends prays for me on Facebook.

 

 

Not sure how FB plays into this, unless you are just cynical about Christianity and pop-culture in general.  But asking others to pray for us is not heretical.  Now, philosophically difficult to grasp, fine, I grant you that.

 

clb

[Sevenseas]

 

Are you actually asking?  

I asked about intercession and even included a question mark - yes I'm asking.

 

Sevenseas, on 27 Aug 2014 - 2:06 PM, said:

The 2nd sentence seems to indicate  a low opinion of the intelligence of believers...ie...let someone else do the thinking for them

 

I'm a believer...not sure what you are talking about...

 

Intercession is a heretical concept.  God knows all and sees all.  If He wants to change our circumstance He will, He does not need us to direct Him.  Intercession is a nutty concept adopted by the Catholic church to gain power for the Church.  For me, I will read my Bible in my closet and trust God to interceed when He sees fit not when one of my friends prays for me on Facebook.

 

 

 

Well Jerry, your status indicates non-believer...did you notice that?

 

Your POV on prayer indicates you do not believe what scripture teaches because it most certainly does teach intercession

 

If you think intercession is a nutty concept, then you think that Jesus must be nutty because the Bible tells us He intercedes for us

 

So, do you read the Bible at all?    

 

You state you are a believer, so, what is it you believe?  I am asking because you have just a very non-scriptural bias against a scriptural truth

[terraricca]

Hobbes, The Holy Spirit is God, or do you not believe in the Trinity? Why does God need to tell God what He is interceding about? Jesus was speaking about men needing to go through Him to get to the father, meaning salvation, not praying, though He is our intercessor also.

hi

 

I do not believe that what scriptures calls to be "OF" God is actually God himself  right ?

[other one]

 

I do not believe that what scriptures calls to be "OF" God is actually God himself  right ?

 

It is not wise to ask that question without getting a good definition of that word "god" before hand.   When you do you usually end up talking about things as different as apples and oranges and trying to reconcile ideas into a single thought which is simply not possible.....    thus you have conversations that carry on for weeks or months with no real chance of consensus.

[OneLight]

 

Hobbes, The Holy Spirit is God, or do you not believe in the Trinity? Why does God need to tell God what He is interceding about? Jesus was speaking about men needing to go through Him to get to the father, meaning salvation, not praying, though He is our intercessor also.

hi

 

I do not believe that what scriptures calls to be "OF" God is actually God himself  right ?

 

 

Wrong.  Here is one passage that shows the Trinity.

 

1 John 5:7-8

 

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

[heartprint]

Okay. I don't really understand all the things that you guys are kind of arguing about but I would like to share how God revealed this Scripture to me. As a young Christian I would pray every evening for my pastor.  As I began to pray for him one evening, I started to say my pastors name and it came out of my belly as a groan, repeatedly.  I was a little shocked but I was praying so I continued. The groaning of my pastors name soon turned simply to weeping and groaning.  When my prayer time was over I was exhausted and somewhat confused.  I prayed and asked what had just happened and the Lord led me directly to Romans 8:26.  That's my experience with this scripture and I figure if God wants me to groan in prayer who am I to say no?.  Blessings